Talk:Arab Belt project

Arab Belt

Arabic is a language. 'Arab' is the usual adjective used to describe anything to do with Arabs. Why is Arabic used in the title? Konli17 (talk) 14:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Unexplained content removal by Konli17

Konli17, can you explain the removal of sourced, relevant content you did here? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 03:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Relevant? Konli17 (talk) 03:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

What you mean with "Just create your own article, Amr"Shadow4dark (talk) 04:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

It's the same well-poisoning Amr's been at over several articles. Let them create an article about 1920s Kurdish migration instead of bloating other articles with it. Konli17 (talk) 04:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of sourced material

Hi @Paradise Chronicle:, you removed sourced material and put in your edit summary "there is no mention that this is the reason why the Arab Belt policy was executed on p.144". The material removed does not say this was the reason, so your edit summary is irrelevant and the removal of the material in unjustified. I hope you can restore it back in and point to the exact part you see unsuitable. I just came across this article yesterday and I think it is poor and one sided, giving minor details of a "plan" that was never executed while providing no context whatsoever. Thank you. New Aramean (talk) 10:06, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Sure one can add sourced text also about the fauna and flora around Daraa or at the Syrian border with Joran, but it does have nothing to do with the Arab Belt if it is not mentioned in the source. I suggest you read WP:OR and WP:SYNTH.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:40, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: Well, the text you removed was not about the fauna and flora, it was about Kurdish immigration to the area of the Arab belt, which completely changed demographics, and which is most relevant here? I suggest YOU read the DS comment you left on my talk page as it seems like you are cherry-picking with this sensitive topic. Your cited reason for deleting the material was: "there is no mention that this is the reason why the Arab Belt policy was executed on p.144". Your statement is not correct, and now you are coming up with weird explanations. New Aramean (talk) 08:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

This is the part of page 144 by Tejel which concerns the immigration to Syria by the Kurds.

The mandatory authority’s attitude toward Kurdish refugees evolved from one of

rejection in 1925 to one of encouragement to settle in Jazira, and to a lesser degree in Kurd

Dagh. If before 1927 there were at most 45 Kurdish villages in this region, by 1939, they

numbered between 700 and 800 agglomerations of Kurdish majority. According to an

official census, in 1939 Jazira counted a total population of 158,550 habitants of which

81,450 were Kurdish Muslims and 2,150 were Yazidi Kurds. CADN, Fonds Beyrouth,

Cabinet Politique

No Mention of Arab belt and also not of the 1960s which Tejel was also meant to source.

You've added the text I removed. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with New Aramean, Paradise Chronicle removed the text claiming it doesn't mention the Arab Belt but the text doesn't claim that, it is historical background information that shows how kurds came into the area and therefor it is important for the reader to understand the history of the region before the "Arab belt", so it definitely belongs in the article.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 04:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

You can't create conclusions and background yourself. Some copy paste from WP:OR.

If one reliable source says A and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be improper editorial synthesis of published material to imply a new conclusion, which is original research. "A and B, therefore, C" is acceptable only if a reliable source has published the same argument concerning the topic of the article.

Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

The Tejel source mentions that kurds settled in Jazira, so there would be no OR to mention that kurds settled in Jazira, as there is no second source saying something else and we wouldn't be combining any sources and we wouldn't be implying a new conclusion not mentioned by any source.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 04:50, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

The article is not about Kurds or demographics in Jazira, but about the Arab Belt. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I have had access to the McDowell source, and this was mainly a copy-paste (Dowell, p.467-468, fourth edition of 2020) And it was also made clear that it was the Syrian Governments view that the Kurds immigrated to Syria illegally where they illegally obtained Syrian ID cards. To edit Wikipedia like this, is introducing Syrian Gov. POV. in Wikivoice and I assume this is not NPOV, but we can also go to the noticeboards. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 13:25, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

The Arab Belt is located in Jazira. We wouldn't be adding the Syrian gov pov that it was illegal migration, we would just ad what is written in the Tejel source above, that kurds migrated into Syria and that before "before 1927 there were at most 45 Kurdish villages in this region, by 1939, they numbered between 700 and 800 agglomerations of Kurdish majority." This is not OR and is highly relevant to the article. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

That this is highly relevant to the article is your personal point of view. Find a source that connects the two events as is written in WP:SYNTH, then you are free to add it. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Removal of material without using the discussion page

Paradisechronicle, again I am not really sure why you keep removing information from reputable sources that is directly related to this article. This article is a about a plan to alter the population composition in the Jazirah area in the 1960's, so why do you think that information on the population in the years before that is irrelevant? New Aramean (talk) 22:08, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

It's not about what I think is irrelevant, it's what Wikipedia thinks is irrelevant. Read again my answer from the 29 August 2022. I had to search for diffs for hours and weeks in the discussions with Amr, and I do not want to do this again. You can edit, but do not add unsourced info or start a battleground behavior. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Your answers from August or above are not convincing and do not make any sense. This is an article about planned/assumed population engineering, and background about that population is more than relevant, it is needed. You are the one removing reliable and sourced content, and practically engaging in a battleground behavior. You are clearly pushing your POV here and refusing to discuss in a civil way. New Aramean (talk) 19:17, 2 July 2023 (UTC)