Talk:Anshan

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this should be a disambiguation page, but I'm too lazy to adjust all the links. Feel free to do it and move to Anshan (China). dab (ᛏ) 14:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I am interested in contributing to the Anshan, China page - especially the history and tourism part. Currently, the page talks about the city being fortified and burned down as well as the origin of the town's name (saddle mountain). The saddle mountain is to the south of the modern city. Immediately adjacent to the saddle mountain is a small fortified town which I have been told, locally, is the original Anshan. As I am unable, so far, to verify this I am reluctant to add this information to the page. If anyone else has information pertaining to this I would be grateful if you could share it. Stick 03:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sr77025 (talk • contribs)

By coincidence, I was out at Tanggangzi spa with a friend tonight and we were discussing this very thing. My friend had visited the extant city walls of the old city just last week. The location is within a park, just after the toll gates on the road form Anshan city to Tanggangzi. There is a second, better preserved, section some distance further on but the location of it was not given accurately. I intend to visit personally some time in the near future. Anshan mountain is south-south-west of the modern city and the old city would be due East of the mountain. I just checked the area on google earth but the resolution in that area isn't high enough to distinguish much of anything.

I last updated this in November 2006 and not allot has been added since. As Wikipedia was blocked form China I couldn't add any more myself. However, I did put greatly expanded articles about Anshan onto Citizendium.org and Wikitravel.org. Now that Wikipedia is available here, things can get improved. Rincewind42 (talk) 14:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Anshan, Liaoning → Anshan
• Anshan → Anshan (disambiguation)

– According to article traffic statistics from the last 90 days, "Anshan, Liaoning", "Anshan, China" and "Anshan City" received a combined 8,826 views, compared to a combined 7,224 for the other six links on the page (excluding Izeh, whose commonname is not Anshan). The 2nd-ranked page, "Anshan (Persia)" got 4,427 views. Thus this establishes this city of several million (3.6 million total; 1.5 million in urban area) as the primary topic. GotR ^Talk 05:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. [NOTE: The initial post, to which I respond in the following remarks, was later altered. Please don't do that! If you change a post that others respond to, show clearly that you are doing so.–N] Even if we thought that the rimary topic" was most useful or decisive here, the evidence falls well short. We would have to consider the other relevant articles. Anshan, Changli County alone got 377 views; Anshan class destroyer got 1,285 hits; and so on. A "primary topic" should be overwhelmingly dominant; but here there are several alternative targets that readers are aiming at. Noetica^Tea? 22:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

• I don't know about you, but I think that having more views than all other links combined can be considered overwhelming. Either way, the ships named Anshan are named after the city, which gives further precedence to it, and because of the way are political divisions of the PRC organised, a prefecture-level city (2nd level) is far more important and well-known than a town (4th level). GotR ^Talk 23:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

See the note I have inserted above, G. And please give all of those pageview statistics on which you are relying. I will then be in a position to adjust or supplement them, if that seems necessary. Noetica^Tea? 23:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Please do not refer to me as 'G'. Either 'GotR', 'GoTR', or my full username. And here you have them, in one list: the the Liaoning city (in addition to the two redirects, Anshan, China and Anshan City, which are counted separately), (Persia) the ancient settlement, Hebei town, vessel class,specific vessel, asteroid, and term in India. GotR ^Talk 00:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. Naming Conventions for Chinese cities with disambiguation needed is city, province and there is Anshan, Changli County. (Although this seems not to follow the normal disamg.) Only way it could be under Anshan if it was a major city like New York City, or Paris; basically it has to a world/major city for that treatment.Spshu (talk) 22:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

• Your last sentence is over-generalised and not true. Numerous counterexamples lie in Yuncheng, Jining, Fuyang, Qingyuan, etc. These are prefecture-level cities which hardly have even national importance/prominence. What's more, I am sure I have missed a few examples where a less-known prefecture-level city, say DIJISHI, is at [[DIJISHI]]. Not to mention that outside the US, the term "NY" more commonly refers to NYC. GotR ^Talk 23:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

• User:Spshu, your last statement is way off the mark. Check out

• Comment: See Talk:Qingyuan for a further illustration of what I am talking about. "Qingyuan, Guangdong", too did not receive more than 4 times the views as the other pages at Qingyuan (disambiguation), but still got more than the others combined. GotR ^Talk 00:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Anshan in Liaoning is a major city and definitely the primary topic. It is proportionately larger and more notable than, e.g., Boston vs. other Bostons, Melbourne vs. other Melbournes, Santiago vs. other Santiagos et al. —  AjaxSmack  02:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• Support. It's most notable as the name of a major Chinese city. The article has about twice the traffic against the second highest. Google gives significantly more hits for Anshan China than Anshan Persia and Anshan Iran. --Cold Season (talk) 08:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Second Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested. There seems to be agreement that the page view stats confirm the city as the primary topic, so I take a deep breath and close this one. Favonian (talk) 20:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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• Anshan, Liaoning → Anshan
• Anshan → Anshan (disambiguation)

– According to article traffic statistics from the last 90 days, "Anshan, Liaoning", "Anshan, China" and "Anshan City" received a combined 8,826 views, compared to a combined 7,224 for the other six links on the page (excluding Izeh, whose commonname is not Anshan). The 2nd-ranked page, "Anshan (Persia)" got 4,427 views. Thus this establishes this city of several million (3.6 million total; 1.5 million in urban area) as the primary topic. And, for reference, here is a list of links to page views: the the Liaoning city (in addition to the two redirects, Anshan, China and Anshan City, which are counted separately), (Persia) the ancient settlement, Hebei town, vessel class,specific vessel, asteroid, and term in India GotR ^Talk 03:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support. By the page views, "Anshan, Liaoning" is clearly the "Anshan" that readers are looking for; as the primary topic, it should be given precedence in disambiguation. Shrigley (talk) 21:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support for the same reasons I gave above. I would also note that half of the opposition stated in the previous request was based on the mistaken assumption that articles about cities almost always include disambiguators. —  AjaxSmack  21:46, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support. It's most notable as the name of a major Chinese city. The article has about twice the traffic against the second highest. Google gives significantly more hits for Anshan China than Anshan Persia and Anshan Iran.--Cold Season (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC clearly established. --Zanhe (talk) 22:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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