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Wrong reference

In 1997, she declared herself to be a lesbian in Out magazine.[15]

This reference doesnt link to the fact - does anyone have it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.172.224.216 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Google gave me this article which puts the year as 1999, and this myspace blog which puts the year at about 2006. I don't know that either is a reliable source, though. -- Irn (talk) 20:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

For future reference

Not currently mentioned in the article, marriage to Hilton Braithwaite: [1][2][3]. Location (talk) 00:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Education

It is incorrect. There is no "University of Santa Cruz". Angela taught at the University of California at Santa Cruz for almost 20 years. She studied at UCSD, the Sorbonne, and places in Russia. I never could pin her down on her education. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.234.228 (talk) 17:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

In Media

Angela Davis was featured in several documentaries. The Black Power Mixtape 1967-1975, a 2011 documentary by Göran Olsson that is base on footage shot by a group of Swedish journalists documenting the Black Power Movement in the United States. Free Angela and All Political Prisoners, a 2012 documentary by Shola Lynch that chronicles the life of young college professor Angela Davis, and how her social activism implicates her in a botched kidnapping attempt that ends with a shootout, four dead, and her name on the FBI's 10 most wanted list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camilomgn (talk • contribs) 01:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Jim Jones

I followed the link to this wikipedia entry after repeated mention of Davis as a close ally of Jim Jones of the Jonestown Massacre.

It seems, however, that there is no mention of her affiliation. Is this an honest mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.194.102 (talk) 18:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. The Jonestown article directly mentions Angela Davis: The fiery rallies took an almost surreal tone as black activists Angela Davis and Huey Newton communicated via radio-telephone to the Jonestown crowd, urging them to hold strong against the "conspiracy." The article sources this statement to Reiterman's book Raven.[1] Angela's apparent association to jonestown in this capacity seems notable enough to be worth mentioning, but I'm hesitant about how to approach incorporating this link into the article given we're dealing with BLP. Might need to look closely at an excerpt of this citation before adding it.Spudst3r (talk) 21:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Resolved It looks like Spudst3r has taken care of this. - Location (talk) 15:36, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Reiterman, Tim and John Jacobs. Raven: The Untold Story of Rev. Jim Jones and His People. Dutton, 1982. ISBN 0-525-24136-1. p. 369

Relationship with George Jackson

Why does this article not mention that Davis was in love with George Jackson and the two seem to have had a relationship while Jackson was in prison? Their love letters were made public during her trial and also printed in City Magazine. TheBlinkster (talk) 15:17, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

LGBT

Davis came "out" in 1997 and now identifies herself as gay. Where might one add this to the article? Conspirasee1 (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

It's actually already in there, in the middle of the "Political activism and speeches" section, which is definitely not ideal. Maybe it would make sense to create a "Personal life" section? It could also address her marriage and her relationship with George Jackson, per the above discussion. (Also, it appears as it was the February 1998 issue.[4]) -- Irn (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Ah, yes, I certainly missed that mentioning in that section. Perhaps there can indeed be a "Personal Life" section which would elaborate upon her close relationships, including her orientation. Conspirasee1 (talk) 15:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

IP Address Block

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Lenin Peace Prize

She was awarded the Lenin Peace Prize. Roughly equivalent to the Nobel Peace Prize, and yet that's not mentioned anywhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin_Peace_Prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin_Peace_Prize —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.104.226.23 (talk) 06:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, just put it in, with a source. Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't previously included because it's an award no one is aware of, and is irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.225.32.101 (talk) 15:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Questions for an article

Is any recent information about Angela Davis ok to be added to her Wikipedia page as long as it is properly cited? Oscha12 (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2017 (UTC) What information is deemed as unusable?Oscha12 (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2017 (UTC) Oscha12 (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Early Life

The citation on the final paragraph describing her being recruited by a communist youth group in Greenwich has nothing to do with what is being described, It links to a page which never mentions her early life. I feel thusly that additional citations are needed for this information.--170.249.181.26 (talk) 21:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Ph.D.

I removed the Ph.D. from the "infobox" heading. I certainly don't dispute that the subject attained this degree (and, for that matter, I left references to it within the infobox and within the article proper). As a heading, however, it's gratuitous. We don't customarily refer to persons by their college degrees. TheScotch (talk) 07:31, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

It is interesting that Worldcat http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=angela+yvonne+davis&dblist=638&se=yr&sd=asc&fq=+%28%28x0%3Abook+x4%3Athsis%29%29+%3E+ap%3A%22davis%2C+angela+y%22&qt=facet_ap%3A has only two thesis entries for her - "The novels of Robbe-Grillet : a study of method and meaning" (honours, Brandeis, 1965) and "Seven stories" (MFA, UNC Greensboro 1965). There is no Ph.D. thesis with a title listed there, or in the online Humboldt University Berlin catalogue.

The first is in an exhaustive John L Novak bibliography going around - https://authorzilla.com/0zl1x/microsoft-word-2003-angela-davis-bibliography-doc.html - which doesn't list a Ph.D. dissertation either.

Another 1995 source noted the University couldn't tell them the title of the dissertation.

Conservative Review - Volumes 6-7 - Page 18 https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ZanrAAAAMAAJ 1995 - Snippet view - More editions

... Germany, then 1967-70 in graduate study at the University of California at San Diego - coming away at last with a Master's degree. And then Humboldt University in East Berlin, this time specified as having been there from 1982 to 1986. The public information officer insisted that she received a Ph.D. that time, but could not tell me the title of her dissertation - or even whether Angela Davis spoke German. For those of us who were reading about her in the newspapers, this ten years in graduate school somehow doesn't ring true.

So - the link for the current version of this article is not very good, it's not in her bio or an exhaustive bibliography, and there's no info about the year, title, advisor etc. It is all quite weird. The information fits in better with an honorary Ph.D. Cancerward (talk) 04:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism

I am trying to find a source that supports that Angela Davis is a member of this party and cannot find anything. Until then, I think a citation needed tag is appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.210.148.243 (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

BDS

It should be noted (either here or on that organization's own article) that she's a prominent supporter of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions: Source --79.242.222.168 (talk) 02:02, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not necessarily opposed to mentioning this in the article, but I don't really see the point. She has supported any number of movements and campaigns for justice throughout the years, so why should this one in particular be mentioned? -- Irn (talk) 15:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Oh, just the fact that BDS mainly supports a number of partly secular, partly religiously-fascist dictatorships all praising rapid, eliminatorically racist anti-Semitism, an ideology imported and popularized in the region during WWII under the auspices of Nazi Germany (see Amin al-Husseini), along with their irregular terrorist ground troops drilled in that very same eliminatorically racist anti-Semitism, the latter of which are given ample financial and arms support both by the UN and said Arabic dictatorships in order to militarily conquer a land that hasn't been Arabic since the High Middle Ages. Israel is a secular and multi-ethnic state and wants to be, where most of the Jewish population are Old Jews whose families never moved out of the region since Antiquity, not to mention the only liberal and stable democracy in the region with three Arabic parties in the national parliament and where every Arab Israeli has more rights than any Jew would have in any of the existing Arabic states, while (contrary to the popular Pallywood narrative) the ancestors of the Arab occupiers, after a century of violent anti-Semitic pogroms committed desertion in 1948 rather than live with the Jews, even though they knew in advance that they would lose their citizenship if they did so, and whose organizations build their claim upon a "right to return" mainly upon the destruction of Israel and an ethnic cleansing of the region, in order to create a racially pure, Islamic theocracy of Transjordania, and who have publically acknowledged for decades that any supposed "Palestinian state" is only a first step in their plans for this end.
THAT's why I think Davis's support ought to be mentioned. And maybe because it could be due to her idolatry of Lenin's theory of imperialism which happens to be as bourgeois as the sources Lenin used and bordered bourgeois nationalism, even racism, in that Lenin defined imperialism primarily as "alien rule of foreign blood", whereupon he was subjected to devastating critique by Rosa Luxemburg already. Lenin's failed, bourgeois, and nationalist theory of imperialism would lead to the CPSU and its international affiliates co-operating with nationalist, even racist parties and movements and organizations as early as 1923 (which was the year when the German KPD would officially collaborate with the völkisch followers of Albert Leo Schlageter, and later co-operate with the Nazi party in organizing strikes together, which Ernst Busch glorified in a song entitled "Deutschland den Deutschen!", or "Germany to the Germans!"), and under that same ideology, Stalin would co-operate with Chiang Kai-shek's Chiang Kai-shek under the slogan, "Hongkong to the Chinese!", always under the false assumption, deriving from Lenin's failed theory of imperialism, that nationalists and racists would be thankful and become Communists. We know how that went in Germany, and Chiang Kai-shek slaughtered his Communist allies at the first opprtunity he had. --79.242.222.168 (talk) 17:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm not going to debate the merits of BDS with you, and your reasoning is not sufficient for inclusion in the article. -- Irn (talk) 18:11, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
It's "tendentious editing" to mention, with one short sentence, a public support for a rightfully controversial group? Controversial especially in Left-wing circles, much more than the Black Panthers or the Soviet Union ever were? --79.242.222.168 (talk) 18:29, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
You're right, your suggestion is not tendentious, and perhaps that wasn't the most appropriate essay to link to. But your reasoning more closely reflects your personal beliefs regarding BDS than it does a desire to improve the encyclopedia. -- Irn (talk) 18:39, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The BDS which is an example of her support for terrorism needs to be more prominent. Her Anti-Semitism towards Jews reflecthe is.173.48.197.65 (talk) 21:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Layout and order issues

The two dueling "Representation in other media" subsections should be combined. Acwilson9 (talk) 07:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2019

Can Category:American socialists and Category:North American democratic socialists be replaced with the subcategory Category:American democratic socialists? Thanks, 142.160.89.97 (talk) 22:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 22:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Can't edit primary section?

Why is there no edit function for the top level? There are errors there that need to be corrected.BiblioPhile 19:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LifeHopeJoy (talk • contribs)

Leader?

I don't think Angela Davis was ever the leader of the Black Panther Party. The source does not support it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.220.193 (talk) 11:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

The source doesn't support membership either -- being connected to people in an organization doesn't equate to belonging to it. Also, there is a bad link to the web page of the Centre de Cultura Contemporània de Barcelona (CCCB), which is not a journalistic or scholarly source, so it is a poor quality source. Furthermore, the hyperlink leads to the Wikipedia page for the organization, not the web page with the information that is cited.BiblioPhile 19:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Alternative source

Source Number 57 is dead. However, the article seems to be archived [1] 2003:C7:3721:6600:5DE2:C4F3:AE0E:AF53 (talk) 17:12, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://blog.archiv.uni-leipzig.de/index.php/2018/09/13/unverwechselbarer-afrolook-angela-davis-buergerrechtskaempferin-erhaelt-am-13-09-1972-die-ehrendoktorwuerde/
Thanks, I've replaced the URL as you suggest. I don't read German, so another set of eyes on this edit couldn't hurt. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Early life - Advance

There is a reference to her being recruited for Advance, however the source in question https://www.villagepreservation.org/2018/01/26/happy-birthday-angela-davis-2/ does not mention this at all. dh74g3y (talk) 12:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Solzhenitsyn and Unz Review

I removed a section citing Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Unz Review as undue; preserving here by providing this link]. The statements from Solzhenitsyn are cited to himself and in general undue, "derelict" etc. This should be cited to third-party sources. For Unz Review, pls see Ron Unz, to which the publication redirects to. --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi K.E., I didn't add that paragraph, but just to note that Unz Review is not the source for the Pelikan letter - Unz hosts lots scanned old periodicals and the cite is to New_Politics_(magazine). I agree that secondary sources would be better though. NPalgan2 (talk) 00:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Agree; to establish WP:WEIGHT, this should be cited to secondary sources, rather than putting together disparate first-person accounts. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I have returned the content. That was just blatant white-washing. Pelikan's letter appeared in The New York Review -- the Unz Review has nothing to do with it except that they have scanned the article. I improved the citation to remove the external link to Unz. Solzhenitsyn and Dershowitz are notable figures on their own and their criticism of Davis in their works is not an inappropriate use of these sources. --Pudeo (talk) 13:06, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Steve Sparacino (found in the arrest & trial subject)

Hi don't want to step on anybody's toes by editing the actual article. Sparacino is described as a 'Wealthy Business Owner', but I found an article where he's only described as a bondsman. I suppose both could be true, it just seems from this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/1972/02/24/archives/miss-davis-freed-on-102500-bail-judge-in-california-releases-her.html

that it would be more accurate to say he was the bondsman in which the bail was posted through.

Also a good source here backing up and going further in depth on the subject, and this should last as long as the nytimes.

Hopefully I haven't cursed them there. DBCookie (talk) 23:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC) DBCookie

Personal life

BLP vio info regarding personal relationship with another UCSC faculty member. In one recent reference cited in this article, Davis explicitly states she does not want to share such personal info. No citation provided establishes the existence of such a relationship as well. Activist (talk) 10:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

The October 2020 New York Times article, which is the source for the information, says "Though briefly married to a man in the early ’80s, Davis came out as a lesbian in 1997 and now openly lives with her partner, the academic Gina Dent". The article does not say where Dent works so the statement that Dent is "a fellow humanities scholar and intersectional feminist researcher at UC Santa Cruz" involved some original research by one of our editors. Which source says that she did not want to share that information? Burrobert (talk) 11:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Considering that Activist's claim "No citation provided establishes the existence of such a relationship" was clearly erroneous and that the NYT is regarded as a reliable source, I have restored the sentence that Activist had deleted based on this erroneous claim, reworded a bit for precision: "By 2020, Davis was living openly with her partner, the academic Gina Dent" (in particularly, I have included the NYT's assertion that Dent is a scholar, and changed "life partner" to "partner" since the latter is the term used by the NYT, although they seem largely synonymous in this context anyway, cf. life partner.)
While back in March of this year I had myself added a "citation needed" to the subsequent sentence outlining the joint work of Davis and Dent, it looks like there are ample sources for this which just need to be added, e.g. [5][6]. I just did so myself in one case. They are also co-authors of a book that has been announced to come out next month.[7]
Regards, HaeB (talk) 17:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Rightho. That seems to cover most of the issues that were raised. Burrobert (talk) 06:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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Another probable song about Davis

The 1972 Don Covay song "Dungeon # 3", has the (often repeated) line "they opened the door to the dungeon and they let sweet Angela go" and references to people power freeing Angela, her being 3000 miles from where a county judge was shot and spending time in solitary confinement. I can't find a reference specifying this song is about Angela Davis though so please keep an eye out for such a reference. --Roisterer (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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MAYFLOWER

Descendant of mayflower and descendant of slave owners 192.5.211.215 (talk) 14:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Progressive?

Does a pro-Soviet communist who was feted in Soviet-block countries qualify as "progressive"? Was a close political ally of apocalyptic communist Jim Jones "progressive"? What are the criteria employed to designate her as a progressive? These are questions, not provocations. Nicmart (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, I think it's important to note that her views significantly changed after the fall of the Soviet Union. She went from being a Marxist-Leninist CPUSA member and supportive of the Soviet carceral state, to splitting from the CPUSA and becoming a non-Leninist democratic socialist founding the CCDS and a prison abolitionist founding Critical Resistance.
Secondly, even prior to the collapse of the USSR, she was progressive in the sense of being for gay rights, anti-racism, and anti-sexism; and if you are including "economic progressivism," in her support for various social programs, social ownership/control of the means of production (old Davis was for state ownership/control, new Davis is unclear on what type of social ownership/control), and her opposition to the American prison-industrial complex. Can we argue that some of her stances were not progressive? Sure, it's up to you to make that argument. However, on the whole I think it is fair to describe both the "old Davis" and the "new Davis" as progressive. 4kbw9Df3Tw (talk) 16:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Dissertation?

I am having trouble finding information about Angela Davis' doctoral dissertation. Sources that note of PhD award say it is from the University of Berlin. However a 2020 book, »Schwarze Schwester Angela« - Die DDR und Angela Davis, notes that the dissertation could not be found at the University of Berlin. Also the year seems unclear. Some sources note it was written in the 1960s, others the 1970s. The only article that seems to be a primary source on this topic comes from a 1981 DDR newspaper where Davis notes she had returned to Germany to complete the dissertation. So that would imply it was post-1981. Any information to help pin down the precise subject/date of award/dissertation topic would be greatly appreciated. Jjazz76 (talk) 00:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Just for those looking for the page it is 249 of the book.
Im Juli 1981 kehrte Angela Davis als Repräsentantin der CPUSA nach Ostberlin zurück, um an der Kinder- und Jugendspartakiade teilzunehmen.382 Sie nutzte ihren Aufenthalt auch, um dort ihre mehr als zehn Jahre zuvor bei Herbert Marcuse
begonnene Doktorarbeit fertigzustellen. 383 Die Deutsche Staatsbibliothek biete, so Davis, die besten Voraussetzungen, um über Kant und die klassische deutsche Philosophie als »eine der Quellen des Marxismus« zu arbeiten.
Footnote 383 seems key - "Dass Davis eine entsprechende Doktorarbeit abgeschlossen hat, ließ sich im Rahmen dieser
Untersuchung nicht bestätigen. Die Existenz einer Promotionsakte von Davis im Universitätsarchiv der Humboldt-Universität Berlin konnte auf Nachfrage ebenfalls nicht bestätigt werden." Jjazz76 (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
@Jjazz76 I think we could include it as part of something like 'German [historian, writer, etc.] Schwarze Schester, in his biography of Davis, otherwise could not find evidence of her dissertation at the University of Berlin'. GuardianH (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Funny, I was discussing this exact topic 5 years ago on this page. I found no evidence of a thesis; I concluded "The information fits in better with an honorary Ph.D.". There's an exhaustive bibliography and WorldCat has two 1965 theses. Conservative Review in 1995 couldn't discover the title either (I could only see a snippet view of that). Cancerward (talk) 11:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Just seeing your comment and thanks for pointing me to your comments from 5 years ago.
Interestingly, I only got interested in this topic because I sort am interested on Ost-Nostalgia and communist regimes and is one of the more prominent Americans crossing the lines about this. But the more I dug the less concrete info I could find.
If you look at German Wikipedia, there is a 2020-2021 conversation on this same topic and they came to the conclusion there was no real underlying evidence of the PhD so they didn't include it. There are plenty of secondary sources but none of them seem to link back to any primary documents from the 1960s, 1970s, or 1980s.
And honestly, if the East German regime at Humboldt gave her PhD in 1981 for a book she wrote, that is fine with me, I'd just like to know what book and details surrounding it. Given her historical significance and importance in philosophy, I think it is important for the record. Jjazz76 (talk) 04:28, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Conservative Review said 1982-1986, and if "the public information officer insisted that she received a Ph.D." I suppose it's enough to list it.
If research shows it's honorary (e.g. like Joh Bjelke-Petersen) that fact should be noted. There are also other pages where the subject clearly did not get a Ph.D. (e.g. Mohammad-Javad Larijani) but fan-boys and fan-girls keep trying to muddy the water. That's probably happening with the German Angela Davis page.
I'll do an inter-library loan soon so I can see the whole page of Conservative Review, the snippet isn't a complete picture. Cancerward (talk) 23:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Someone should really just directly contact Davis and the university for proof, and write an article about it. To be a professor at universities like the UC system or Rutgers, I'm pretty sure you need to have proof of a PhD. Could be a fun project for anyone who is an investigative journalist. 4kbw9Df3Tw (talk) 16:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Actually, at many universities, you don't need a Ph.D. to teach. Most will let you if you're "an acknowledged expert" in the field/topic you want to teach. 2600:8800:395:B000:149:2D5B:C936:26E2 (talk) 03:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Ancestry

I think the info from these sources is notable enough to be included:

Video at this link, which is the primary source:

https://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/watch/episodes/and-still-i-rise

These are secondary sources which reference the primary source:

https://www.salon.com/2023/02/22/civil-rights-activist-angela-davis-learns-surprising-genealogy-on-finding-your-roots/

https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/angela-davis-finding-your-roots-mayflower-ancestors-rcna71700

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-black-panther-angela-davis-shocked-learn-descendant-mayflower

SquirrelHill1971 (talk) 20:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree that this information should be added to the article, but the article appears to be locked from editing. 76.190.213.189 (talk) 23:23, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
This page has a WP:SILVERLOCK so to edit this page you will have to create a Wikipedia user account, make 10 edits elsewhere, and wait about 4 days to edit this one. -Location (talk) 01:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Done. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:05, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Given that info from Finding Your Roots is included in the article, I wonder why her DNA results aren't included as well. I think the reading public would be interested and surprised. 2600:8800:395:B000:149:2D5B:C936:26E2 (talk) 03:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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