Talk:Amritpal Singh

Amritpal is not a khalistani

Bhai Amritpal Singh is a activists who is on a mission to free Punjab from drugs and give Punjab there rights. Amanpreet2004 (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

In his speeches, Singh often argues that the demand for Khalistan is absolutely justified. He also seems to hold considerable appeal for his followers.

In another statement, he is quoted as saying, “We lost our (Sikh) empire to the British in 1849 and we are asking for that empire back.”

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

“Sikhs have been slaves for 150 years. We have developed a slave mentality. First, we were slaves to the British, now we are slaves to the Hindus. The only way we can be totally free is when we have Sikh rule,” he said in Punjabi while addressing a gathering in Behbal Kalan village on the seventh anniversary of the Behbal Kalan ‘killings’ earlier this month.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

“Why is Khalistan such a bad thing?,” he said in a TV interview. “We have the right to self-determination and say we want a separate country in a peaceful manner. Why am I being threatened by my home minister for asking for my democratic right?”

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

• But I agree that the "Khalistani" label has been overblown in the recent round. Until recently, the media has been calling him a "Khalistan sympathiser". Now that the police are chasing him, it has been blown up.

The main concern is really his tendency to armed militancy, stockpiling arms, and roaming around with armed supporters. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Punjab has highest gun possession but lowest gun crime rate in India. Government just fool people by saying not to possess arms so that they can justify their crime to the people. Most of the gun crime happen with unlicensed weapons, and their people only acquire licensed weapons. Independent hawk (talk) 11:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The term Khalistani is used for anyone who supports the demand of separate state of Khalistan. That is the definition CrusaderForTruth2023 (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Definition by who? There is no state document that defines who is a Khalistani-it clearly seems to be an arbitrary label without any credible definition. Princhest01 (talk) 14:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

There is a distinction between changing drug policy and demanding more state autonomy and demanding secession to produce a theocratic ethnonationalist state (Khalistan, Sikh Empire, etc). I as a Sikh also desire to free Punjab of drugs but we must adhere to the principle of neutrality on Wikipedia. PresidentCoriolanus (talk) 05:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Surrendered not ARRESTED

He was not arrested he surrendered you can see in his videos before surrender 2001:569:7DCF:5400:CD97:57BA:5DE0:A5BA (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

rces clearly state he was arrested after the gurudwara was surrounded and he had to surrender. >>> Extorc.talk 16:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Sikh meaning

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do any body know sikh meaning 2409:4055:2DCC:5C38:0:0:EA89:6A08 (talk) 06:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Sikh are people who always strive to learn new things and was formed by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Jasdeep Sandhu07 (talk) 06:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Come canonni Jasdeep Sandhu07 (talk) 06:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, what do you need me for? CanonNi (talk) 06:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Reverts

@Jattlife121 Donot revert me now without discussion. WP:PUBLICFIGURE states that for Public Figures we simply report what the RS says and not wait for a conviction in incidents and cases. >>> Extorc.talk 07:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Point to me to the exact the line it says this. Just with Donald Trump trial, nothing was done until a conviction was made. Per other Public Figures that have ongoing trials, they aren't guilty by media until conviction. Have a read yourself of the page "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction".

I understand you have an unfavourable view of the individual in question as per your edits, but lets wait for other opinions from International Wikipedia members. Jattlife121 (talk) 07:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jattlife121

• See, there is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning. I am demanding we write exactly what the source says.
  • "Supporters of Amritpal Singh ... vandalised a gurdwara in Jalandhar Monday night. Singh visited various gurdwaras Monday ... as a part of his ongoing state-wide march titled ‘Khalsa Wahir’."
  • "A group led by Sikh preacher Amritpal Singh ... his supporters broke the furniture at a gurdwara in Biharipur village in protest against the seating arrangement."

Sources undoubtedly claim that he participated in violence. Your reference to WP:BLPCRIME is faulty because BLPCRIME deals with inclusion and not tone. Here, there is no doubt that BLPCRIME doesn't apply on Singh and hence the content can be included in the article and that the sources clearly say he participated in violence.

• "I understand you have an unfavorable view of the individual in question as per your edits", please stick to the merits of the conversation and not involve inclinations. I am following the policy and you should too.
• Your second revert of my edit amounts to WP:EDITWAR. Kindly refrain from such actions.

>>> Extorc.talk 11:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems there you have had a misunderstanding. The individual must be convicted to say "Participated". Trial by the media doesn't work as mentioned per the reference I have given. I think we need to take further action and get a separate opinion that's unbiased both from religious, cultural and national politics relating to the individual. Also you say he participated in violence but it was his supporters per those "Indian sources" so that doesn't even make sense. You need to use wider sources outside of India to obtain a fair overview of the person. If convicted, I'm happy for it to be reversed. Lets get an unbiased look at this ! Jattlife121 (talk) 08:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

" The individual must be convicted to say "Participated" That is incorrect, the sources say he participated, and we follow the sources. I am citing WP policy and guidelines while you fail to do so.
"Also you say he participated in violence but it was his supporters per those "Indian sources" - Read again "A group led by Sikh preacher Amritpal Singh"
" You need to use wider sources outside of India" - If a source is reliable, there should be no reason to not use its content when its DUE. The bias you are alleging here doesn't exist. >>> Extorc.talk 10:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2024

In the first line, it says that he is 'radical'. There is no proof that he is radical. The source cited is not a scholarly article. It is just a news site, which is biased towards the Indian state. So he is not radical. And he is not self styled or a preacher. His biggest contribution during the time he has been in Punjab between November 2022 to April 2023 is his activism against drugs. So he is an activist, not a 'self styled preacher'. Gurnisha (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. >>> Extorc.talk 19:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)