Talk:List of pigeon breeds

Reference To Pigeon Breeds

I'm curious about some of the pigeon breeds listed in the article because I've never heard of them. Specifically, the following breeds are breeds I'm completely unfamiliar:

• New York Danish Flying Tumbler
• Novi Sad Short Face Tumbler
• Saint Louis Arch Crested Fantail

The first one is completely unfamiliar to me. The second one seems as if it might be a misspelling (Novisad Short Face Tumbler?) and the third one is, again, completely unfamiliar to me. Does anyone have a list of pigeon breeds from a reputable source that would include these breeds? --Onorio (talk) 21:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I've heard about Novi sads. I might have a picture of some on one of my computers? The other two I'm unsure of?--Sting Buzz Me... 12:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry it took me a little while to reply back. Take a look at the list and see what you think. --Onorio (talk) 01:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes that's fine by me.--Sting Buzz Me... 06:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

A search of Saint Louis Arch Crested Fantail on Yahoo turned up several pages. and a search of New York Danish Flying Tumbler turned up several pages as well.. There must be some truth to these being a breed of domestic pigeon. --Ltshears (talk) 23:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

St. Louis Arch Crested Fantail: All I find it on is on lists of pigeon breeds. I can't find a photo of one anywhere and I have a copy of Levi's Encyclopedia of Pigeon Breeds (which I would consider fairly authoritative on this particular subject) and I'm pretty sure it's not in there. But I'll double check it.

New York Danish Flying Tumbler: Again, mostly listed on lists of pigeon breeds--although I do find a breed standard for the breed on the Arizona Pigeon Club's website. However they have no picture either. Again, I'll double check Levi's Encyclopedia. I'll also double check with one of the master breeders of rare breeds here in the US since both of these breeds would (presumably) be creations of the US.

I suppose it's also possible that these breeds did exist at one time and they're gone now. Lots of fanciers have tried to create new breeds over the years with varying degrees of success. The Indian Fantasy is one of those sorts of breeds and the only time I can recall seeing one is in Levi's book. And I may be remembering wrong about that.

In summary, to my mind, just because these breeds are listed on several lists of pigeon breeds really doesn't prove the actual existence of the breed. They could all be getting their information from the same incorrect source. If these breeds actually exist there should be pictures or some reference to them somewhere besides lists of pigeon breeds.--Onorio (talk) 01:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I guess I should have thought to ask my friend the Master Breeder of Rare Breeds about the Arch Crested Fantail and the New York Flying Danish Tumbler before. He confirmed that those two breeds do in fact exist (or they did anyway--apparently the Arch Crested Fantail was an attempt by a fancier to start a new breed and it probably never outlived the fancier and his or her friends). I'm still doubtful that I'd find either of these breeds in Levi's book but I trust this fellow because his knowledge of rare breeds is pretty extensive. And, of course, this is Wikipedia and we can always fix it later if it's wrong. At any rate, I will make the appropriate modification. Thanks Ltshears for raising the question.--Onorio (talk) 22:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome.. i am not very informed about pigeon breeds either.. but i noticed even those breeds that are on the list i have trouble finding images of on the internet.. Alot of them seem to be rare i guess..--Ltshears (talk) 21:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, I did check my copy of Levi's Encyclopedia of Pigeon Breeds last night. No reference to either the "St. Louis Arch Crested Fantail" or "New York Flying Danish Tumbler" (although the Danish Tumblers they have in that book look an awful lot like Flying Flights--which are a breed that originated in NYC). --Onorio (talk) 13:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Onorio, i created 3 new article pages and thought since you have the book on pigeon breeds maybe you could add a little info to the pages if possible.. I did not have any luck finding information on the internet about the breeds in question other then origin. The breeds that i added are the Berlin Long Faced Tumbler, Chinese Nasal Tuft and Breslauer Tumbler . Also i have been working on the commons in organizing pigeon breeds and thought maybe you could help me there..http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Domesticated_pigeon_breeds . There are several images of breeds that i don't see on the list on this page here and not sure if maybe those breeds also go by a different name?.. For instance Anatolian Ringbeater i do not see on the list.. And is American Domestic Flight the same as the American Flying Flight? There are alot of different breed photos available for the breeds, i just know nothing about pigeon breeds.. But i am interested in them.. If you could help that would great.. :) --Ltshears (talk) 14:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

LT, I didn't realize there were so many images on wikimedia commons. Let me see if I can assist you at least a little--I don't have time much beyond policing the pigeon articles currently present to insure they're not vandalized but I can help you a bit I think.

• Anatolian Ringbeater -- I think this is a breed that should be added to the list. I'm pretty sure it's a distinct breed from Turkey. The only other "Ringbeater" I know of is a Rhine Ringbeater and there's an image of them up there too. Very interesting aerial performance from the Rhine (and presumably the Anatolian) Ringbeaters.
• American Domestic Flight (which I've usually heard called a Domestic Show Flight) is a different breed from the Flying Flight. The ADF was created from the Flying Flights. Another breed which is used for a very interesting game which I need to add an article on.

What I saw on the other breeds you added is just fine for a start. At one point, I counted the number of breeds listed by the European Organization which oversees the pigeon hobby in Europe. I counted 417 named breeds. And pigeon fanciers are wont to create new breeds all the time so it's hardly static. I wouldn't doubt for even a moment that there are lots of breeds that we need to add.--Onorio (talk) 01:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so some the breeds are ok ,they just are not on this list yet? Is it ok to start pages for them with just the simple info i posted as with the other 3 articles to start with? since there are photos available to use.. I am up for doing it, i will be a little at a time of coarse. Thanks for your help.--Ltshears (talk) 17:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

The stubs you did so far are fine. Besides, this being wikipedia, if you inadvertently go off of the rails somewhere, it's easily remedied. --Onorio (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Armenian Tumbler

Origin ________

Armenia.

Color ________

White white a black tail and black around the neck area.

Flying _______________

The Armenian Tumbler flips in the air.

Duplication

The Polish Helmit is in the list and so is its other name Muffed Helmit - or at least then link to the same page. Snowman (talk) 10:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Barb

barb (pigeon) is listed twice, once under barb and once under english barb. I assume one of these should be deleted, but I don't know which since I'm not a pigeon expert. Michael1115 (talk) 23:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

these are two common names of the same breed, so both should be in the list --84.181.61.183 (talk) 11:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

" Burgaser roller "

            Породата " Бургаски преметач " /ролер/ е създадена в края на IX и началото на ХХ век в България гр. Бургас и околните градове и села. Породата е създадена на базата на кръстоски на месна порода преметачи с гълъби от Турция-вероятно Ориенталски ролери. В последствие има вкарана кръв от Руски породи високолетящи статни птици . През годините Бургаските селекционери са наблягали на качествата на птиците за висок сравнително продължителен 3-4 часов полет но основното е било премятането стандартно 10-15 метра и дълго 50-100 и повече метра. Понякога някои от птиците дори стигат до земята без да прекъснат превъртанията, но това не е толкова важно. Осново се набляга на полета висок, кръгов продължителен с координирани дълги премятания.Бургаския преметач е гълъб с добър темперамент, добър родител. Притежава красива структура и цветове-бели, жълти,червени,кафеви и пъстри без стандартна шарка. Характерно за птиците е че са селектирани само гладки птици без каквито и да било качули, розетки и жаба. През 2012 година на изложението в гр. Лайпциг-Германия гълъба бе сертифициран и добавен под № 1014 към каталога на ЕЕ породи. Гълъба се ползува за вкарване на кръв и в много други български породи.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pigeons burgas (talk • contribs) 18:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)