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Removed fanciful interpretation

I commented-out the following:

The song itself is a mid-tempo ballad about the hopeless lives of the young homeless people, and their tendency to turn to sex to assuage life's problems.

That's actually not a bad interpretation, but it's fanciful. The song can be interpreted other ways as well. Without a statement from Shear or Lauper, I would say the above is NOT a factual statement. Sorry . . . I do like the concept. --63.25.27.72 02:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Why are we still using AllMusic, anyway? I've lost count of the times I've had to correct errors that began with that site. It's a "rock critic" site, which means journalism, which means interpretation, which means opinion. It sucks SO very much!

--Ben Culture (talk) 23:41, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cover versions

Moving htis here rom the article. It was tagged with {{unreferenced}}. Since it is a good article I thought I would leave the information here so it can be reintroduced when references are found. AIRcorn (talk) 12:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In 1984, Marie Fredriksson (who would achieve international success later as Roxette's female lead vocalist) recorded it in Swedish as "Natt efter natt", and was released as a B-side.
In 1985, famous Greek singer and worldwide chanson star Nana Mouskouri recorded a German version of the song called "Ich hab geweint, ich hab gelacht".
In 2005, a cover by Tori Amos appeared on her set of live albums, The Original Bootlegs.
In 2006, by German dance project Novaspace.
In 2008, Girlyman released a live album, Somewhere Different Now, featuring a version of the song.
In 2008, a cover by Tommy February⁶ appeared on the tribute album, We Love Cyndi - Tribute to Cyndi Lauper.
In 2011, Sam Llanas did a version of the song on his second solo record "4 A.M."
In 2012, collaborative project U.S. Elevator (Sarah Lee Guthrie & Johnny Irion and Rondo Brothers) did a beat folk version on single, Moons and Junes

Music and lyrics: Added same amount of musical info (key, tempo) regarding Shear's original version and compared/contrasted with Lauper's. The pre-existing citation sucks, BTW.

Before I edited it, the "Music and lyrics" section stated that Lauper's version was in the key of A-flat major, and at a tempo of 120 beats per minute. True - at least, I checked the key. It's A-flat all right ... but the cited source, a commercial site called musicnotes.com, where one must pay to even look at the sheet music, says in its description, "Original Published Key: G Major".

(Is it even okay to use pay sites as sources?)

Personally, I would like to make it illegal to publish a song in the wrong key, in the interests of making it "easier" for the poor fucking beginners. If a guitarist can't figure out that it's easier to play in A-flat by buying a capo, sticking it on his first fret, and using the open chords of G major, then that guitarist simply has not been playing long enough. And it helps keyboardists IN NO WAY to teach them the wrong key. The black keys aren't any harder to hit than the white ones!

But anyway, here's the thing . . . I addded the same info to this section regarding Jules Shear's original version. It's in F Major, at about 96 b.p.m. But, in the first place, you're never going to find a source on that. Nobody writes about Jules Shear, except when he first releases a new album, in which case the journalist breathlessly wonders, Will this be the big breakthrough that has thus far eluded the under-rated Jules Shear? That's the article, seriously. That's it. They're never gonna say "Let's go back and look at the should-have-been-classic Watch Dog."

Look, I paid over $80 for a Japanese import of Watch Dog on CD. Why it has been digitized (it sounds great!), yet never released in a digital format in the U.S.A., is beyond me. I put the CD in, and checked with my keyboard, just to be sure, because I've been learning to play Shear's material since I was 15, and I already knew damn well it was in F Major.

I'm saying: I've got no source right now, but neither does the Cyndi Lauper stuff, in this section. No proof that it's in A-flat, at 120 bpm. But it's true, and so are my similar additions on the original version. Can we please just put the truth up there and hope to find a source for them in the near future? It's not like I wanna talk about what the lyrics mean, or anything. Key and tempo are matters of fact, and we have our facts right, so let's leave them there and keep looking for sources! Please!

--Ben Culture (talk) 00:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shear's presence on Lauper's version.

I added to the article, Jules Shear himself makes a guest appearance on Lauper's version, singing a wordless falsetto melody near the end, as well as the lower harmony in the choruses.

You know what's a good source, sometimes? Album credits.

True, the credits only say "Jules Shear: Background vocals". But he is the only person credited with background vocals. True, they don't necessarily credit lead singers if they also sang a background part - there could be backgrounds by Cyndi as well - but Shear remains the only MALE credited with vocals, and if you don't hear a man singing background on the chorus, you haven't listened enough times. Try headphones. And, speaking as one of the 12 or 13 people on the planet who are very familiar with Jules Shear's voice, that falsetto melody at the end is very, very definitely him. It's actually a melody that he played on a synth in the background of every chorus on his original version (transposed from F to A-flat, of course).

So, it seems to me I have source enough for the statement. Others may disagree. But I can assure you, nobody's going to come along and give Wikipedia a big Black Ribbon of Wrongness for this.

--Ben Culture (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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muenchener Freiheit

this sounds very similar to keeping dream alive by muenchener freiheit. Any connection with those songs or just coincidence?

This is not a forum. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 16:22, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All Through the Night (Cyndi Lauper song) → All Through the Night (Jules Shear song) – Opened on behalf of @BCuzwhynot:. The song was written, recorded and published by Jules Shear. It later was covered by the Cars and later by Cyndi Lauper. Per WP:SONGDAB, we don't give undue weight to the most popular version of a song (like with Venus (Shocking Blue song), Two Hearts (Kish Mauve song) or Without You (Badfinger song)) (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the original, from Shear's album Watch Dog (album), predates the Lauper version. 162 etc. (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I agree, as an anonymous user, we don't name song articles after the most popular version. I suggest we do move the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4E90:2560:EC07:1AB9:A1EC:8969 (talk) 12:38, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I also, with the other anonymous user, agree. i feel bad for the user who previously moved it. He or she was once threatened to get blocked because they kept moving it. They kept claiming the article was "about the lauper version". We dont soley focus on the most famous version, we give credit to the artist who wrote and first performed it while giving the cover a section. I suggest we do move it.

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