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Naming

Sigh. I looked at the image here, plainly showing that the title of the comics is "Aliens versus Predator", so I moved this page to that title (though not before mucking up by moving it to Aliens vs. Predator). But then I found the Dark Horse AvP comic catalogue, where some comics are called "Aliens versus Predator" but others "Aliens vs. Predator". I think I'll refrain from making any more "corrections" and leave it to someone who knows what they're doing! :) Hairy Dude 20:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The title is almost always "Aliens vs. Predator" (Heaven knows what the graphic desgners were up to with the covers - perhaps it balances better with "versus") so this should be here Aliens vs. Predator (comics) - its also worth noting that it is sometimes given as "Alien vs. Predator" for no good reason (Emperor 00:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

OK as there has been a campaign to clarify comics and comic books and the Alien series is Aliens (comic book) I have moved this to put back the vs. (which is the correct one) and make sure the names are consistent. (Emperor 13:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

There is NO NEED for confusion where the naming of the AVP comics franchise is concerned. One simply needs to note a few basics:

1) While the name of the franchise has taken 4 forms over its history (Aliens vs. Predator, Aliens versus Predator, Aliens/Predator, and Alien vs. Predator), overwhelmingly the name of the franchise itself and the name of almost all of its individual titles have used the plural "Aliens" instead of "Alien".

The only exception was the 2004 comic book "Alien vs. Predator: Thrill of the Hunt" and its 2006 sequel "Alien vs. Predator 2: Civilized Beasts." The reason these two titles used the singular is because Thrill of the Hunt was released as a direct adaptation/spin-off of the first AVP film, which used the singular (Alien vs. Predator) in its title, and Civilized Beast continued to use it because it was Volume 2 of the story from Thrill of the Hunt.

Otherwise, every other AVP comic ever made in history has used the plural. In 2008 when Dark Horse released Omnibus editions of the series it was again using the plural, as is the current AVP comics series, Three World War.

The reason the plural was originally used is that the AVP line was the bringing together of Dark Horse Comics' "Aliens" license with their "Predator" licence. There had already been a comic based on Ridley Scott's "Alien" by another company, and Dark Horse's comics were a spin-off of the James Cameron film "Aliens" and literally continued its story, using the same logo. Also multiple aliens were featured in the story instead just a single alien. Hence: "Aliens" not "Alien".

2) The history of using "vs.", "versus", or "/" can also easily be charted. The original and current usage is "vs." From 1991-1998 "versus" became standard. And twice a "/" has been used.

History: The name on the covers of the original miniseries in 1989-90 was simply "Aliens vs. Predator." The title was revised for the miniseries' collected edition in 1991 to "Aliens versus Predator", and this was the form that would be mostly regular used on the comic books from 1991-1998. Conversationally and in print "versus" would be substituted with "vs." from time to time. But the actual comic book covers clearly used "versus."

There were only three exceptions to this. 1993's "Aliens/Predator: Deadliest of the Species" used a "/". 1995's "Alien vs. Predator: Duel" again used "vs." And the 1996 trade paperback edition of the story "Aliens versus Predator: War" was released as "Aliens/Predator: War".

The last AVP comic to use the fully spelled out "versus" was "Aliens versus Predator: Eternal" in 1998 and its tpb in 1999. But by 1999 all AVP comics were using "vs" once again. This has been standard since.

Also the two AVP omnibus editions released in 2007, recollecting and reprinting all the previous AVP material formally revised the titles of all the comics under the title "Aliens vs. Predator."

There is no reason to be vague or unclear about the issue of what the name of the franchise is and I'm annoyed by people who try to make it sound like a complicated thing just because they don't know all the details. It only takes a little research on the Dark Horse website to figure it out.--F.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.211.125 (talk) 03:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is any confusion or dispute about this. The article has been at the current title "Aliens versus Predator (comics)" for almost 4 years. Note that you are responding to a discussion from 2006, which is long over. The people who took part in that discussion (Hairy Dude and Emperor) are unlikely to still be watching this space. Generally in these situations it's a good idea to start a new thread altogether. In any case I don't see the point of your lengthy post: Do you agree with the current title, or are you suggesting a move? --IllaZilla (talk) 03:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It should be moved to "Aliens vs. Predator (comics)" as per the updated information that has come out in the past 4 years. The length of the post was in order to be thorough and clear. A new topic was not made in order to avoid redundancy. It is simply a continuation of the ongoing discussion on that topic. The older users may still be around. No way to be sure, and anyway date of the older posts is irrelavant.--F.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.211.125 (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This info clarifies the history of the title changes, so I added it to the article. I invite others to add links and sources, please. -thanks 71.194.101.50 (talk) 23:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

TurokSwe made a seemingly pointless move to "List of Alien vs. Predator (franchise) comics" without discussion. This should be reverted for that reason alone, but I am curious as for the rationale for this move. There is no need for disambiguation here. FunkMonk (talk) 17:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It seemed more fitting to have a more uniform title similar to other Alien/Predator articles relating to novels, comics, and other expanded works, and at the same time clarifying that the article deals with all the comics in the franchise rather than any specific set. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But that's not what its for, you only disambiguate when there is a reason for it, as in when there could be confusion over what the title refers to. There are no other AVP comics and novels, there is nothing to confuse them with. FunkMonk (talk) 23:35, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inspirational

I just removed this addition to the opening paragraph: " however, the most likely origin of the idea occurs in the film Predator 2 during a scene that shows the interior of the Predator's ship in which an Alien skull can be seen hanging on the wall" it is speculative and wrong.

David McIntee is pretty clear on the timing: "the crew had simply perpetrated this as a knowing in-joke, to acknowledge the fact there was already a well-received Alien vs. Predator comic strip which had debuted in 1989, before photography had started on Predator 2. In reality there was no real interest in doing such a film until a spec script was pitched to Fox by UK-based scriptwriter Peter Briggs in 1991" (Beautiful Monsters page 197). This script itself is an adaptation of Stradley's first AvP comics. The idea never made it to screen as David Giler and Sigourney Weaver thought it would cheapen the Alien franchise. Aliens 3 and Predator 3 killed it off completely and the idea for another Predator 3 (actually ideas for Predator 3 and a competing Predators) killed off its second shot at the big screen. Brigg's script is discussed in The 50 Greatest Movies Never Made. (Emperor 14:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Studios deciding not to use the idea until years later does not change where the idea came from and first appeared on screen. 2601:645:C180:6420:3862:9609:4AFF:BD11 (talk) 15:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is this nonesense about "multiple publishers"???

What is this gibberish about AVP comics being published by "various" publishers over the years???

The AVP line was conceived of by Dark Horse Comics in 1989 after acquiring licenses to produce Aliens and Predator comics in the preceding years. The material has always been created and published by Dark Horse Comics. The only exception is with cross-over comics which are done jointly by Dark Horse in conjunction with other comics publishers. But even then I believe the actual publisher is Dark Horse. Titan Books is a British repackager of Dark Horse material in the UK.

This information needs to be clarified on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.211.125 (talk) 03:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So fix it. --IllaZilla (talk) 04:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Little busy at the moment with real life things. Also not fully versed in all the technicalities of wikipedia posting. Just pointing out the innaccurate information for general info. Hopefully someone with time and little more expertise will get to it before me. Cheers.--F.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.211.125 (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Simply removed the bit about "multiple publishers". --IllaZilla (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]