Talk:Alfred Morris (university administrator)

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Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. Please see the Reply section below for more information about this request.

Hello everyone!

I am an associate of Alfred Morris and thought this page could perhaps do with some updating.

As I understand, I'm unable to edit the page directly as I have a 'Conflict of Interest'.

I have several sources that could provide some further notable information to the page. I also believe that to label the page as "Alfred Morris (Accountant)" is a justice only to his early career, rather than the extensive majority of it as an academic and educator.

Is it possible to have this changed so as to instead read: "Alfred Morris (Academic)"?

Additionally, the following link can be a source to multiple notable facts to Alfred Morris' career and early life. Perhaps this can be utilised to improve the page?

https://info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=959

This link notes Alfred's schooling at Hymers, Hull and Lancaster university (though the relevance of this will be for Wikipedia editors to decide).

It also links to his early career as an accountant and, importantly regarding the title of this page, as an academic: Group Management Accountant of Arthur Guinness Limited, Visiting Lecturer in Financial Management at the University of Warwick Business School. Deputy Director of the Polytechnic of the South Bank in 1980, Acting Director in 1985 before becoming Director of Bristol Polytechnic in 1986. (and many more - including involvement in steering groups, being a trustee and member of organisations and agencies, etc.).

I hope this is of use.

Any advice that can be given in helping achieve this would be much appreciated. If I have faulted on Wikipedia's rules, please alert me so I can improve.

With thanks - Samsywoodsy (talk) 21:03, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 23-OCT-2018

Edit request partially implemented

I've added the Bristol link to an External links section.
Changing Alfred Morris (accountant) to Alfred Morris (academic) would necessitate changing the name of the article itself. Any request to change an article's name would need to be submitted using {{requested move}} specifically as a controversial move request process requiring discussion amongst the wider community. More information can be found at requested moves.
Other specific changes to the article's text would need to be proposed here by offering a verbatin description of the requested text along with sourced citations to reliable WP:SECONDARY sources.

Regards, Spintendo 23:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks - I will try this now - Samsywoodsy (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close in favor of proposal below. No such user (talk) 10:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Morris (accountant) → Alfred Morris (Academic) – Alfred Morris qualified and began his career as an Accountant, before devoting the majority of career, the reason for his being of note, to being an Academic. This page exists because Alfred is an Academic, not because he is an Accountant. This is made evident throughout the article. Alfred was awarded his CBE for services to Higher Education. If "Academic" is deemed inappropriate, I still believe it is more accurate for the page title than "Accountant". Additionally, I have a COI as I am an associate of Alfred Morris. Thank you. Samsywoodsy (talk) 19:56, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not with an uppercase 'A' in "Academic". —BarrelProof (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks - I will try again. Samsywoodsy (talk) 08:27, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 27 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved to Alfred Morris (university administrator), per consensus. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Morris (accountant) → Alfred Morris (academic) – Alfred Morris qualified and began his career as an Accountant, before devoting the majority of career, the reason for his being of note, to being an Academic. This page exists because Alfred is an Academic, not because he is an Accountant. This is made evident throughout the article. Alfred was awarded his CBE for services to Higher Education. If "Academic" is deemed inappropriate, I still believe it is more accurate for the page title than "Accountant". Additionally, I have a COI as I am an associate of Alfred Morris. I am re-submitting this requested move so as to have the correct title. Thank you. Samsywoodsy (talk) 08:30, 27 October 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Flooded with them hundreds 11:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support some move. "Academic" is not a terribly common disambiguator [" is, but it does not seem to fit well to Morris's positions], but it's not unheard of (e.g. Paul Hunt (academic), Tom Nichols (academic), Alan Jacobs (academic)). I agree with nom that "accountant" is inappropriate.
Support Alfred Morris (university administrator). He is not now an academic and only ever was one briefly. And we generally try to avoid that term in any case. For 25 years he was a polytechnic and university administrator and that's the term we generally use. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alfred Morris (university administrator) per Necrothesp. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all. Are people thinking that "education administrator" is more appropriate than "academic"? I am very happy to proceed as such, will it require another requested move? Thank you. Samsywoodsy (talk) 13:04, 4 November 2018 (UTC) Apologies - "university administrator" rather than "academic". Samsywoodsy (talk) 13:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Samsywoodsy: It does not require another RM – often, an alternative proposal emerges from the discussion and gains consensus. It seems to be the case here, so when the time is due someone will close the discussion and move the article. No such user (talk) 11:50, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Corrections/updates to the page

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hello all. Glad to see the page title has been updated!

My conflict of interest is that I am an associate of Alfred Morris.

I have several things that need correcting on the page.

1. Alfred Morris is not a 'Sir'. He has not been knighted as the info-box (top-right) suggests. Could this be left over from a predecessor of one of Alfred's roles?

2. Additional to the info-box: Alfred was born on 12 November 1941 (as per the intro paragraph)- not 10 December 1947. He is not from Derby, nor does he have two children (he has one daughter).

3. Can Alfred's role of Vice Chancellor of London Metropolitan University please be added? This can be sourced here: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/may/19/london-met-alfred-morris-new-head

4. Alfred's Alma Mater was Lancaster University. He was Deputy Director of the Polytechnic of the South Bank in 1980 and Chairman of North Bristol NHS Trust. All sourced via: https://info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=959

5. Via the same link, we can see that Alfred is also Deputy Lieutenant and High Sheriff of the County of Gloucestershire.

6. Alfred Morris has a vast 'CV' that can be sourced reliably to Who's Who: https://msds.open.ac.uk/signon/SAMSDefault/SAMS001_Default.aspx?URL=http://libezproxyauth.open.ac.uk/cgi-bin-ezproxy/ezpwebserv.cgi?url=http://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/article/oupww/whoswho/U28149. All the above can be sourced here.

Thank you for your help. I am happy to help however I can and wish neither to tread on toes, or break any Wikipedia rules. All advice is welcome.

Samsywoodsy (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to edit request 23-NOV-2018

Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request. Spintendo 19:55, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal review 23-NOV-2018

Alfred Morris is not a 'Sir'. He has not been knighted as the info-box (top-right) suggests.
Approved.^{[note 1]}

Additional to the info-box: Alfred was born on 12 November 1941 (as per the intro paragraph)- not 10 December 1947. He is not from Derby, nor does he have two children (he has one daughter).
Approved.^{[note 2]}

Can Alfred's role of Vice Chancellor of London Metropolitan University please be added?
Clarification needed.^{[note 3]}

Alfred's Alma Mater was Lancaster University.
Approved.Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

He was Deputy Director of the Polytechnic of the South Bank in 1980 and Chairman of North Bristol NHS Trust.
Clarification needed.^{[note 4]}

Via the same link, we can see that Alfred is also Deputy Lieutenant and High Sheriff of the County of Gloucestershire.
Clarification needed.^{[note 5]}

Alfred Morris has a vast 'CV' that can be sourced reliably to Who's Who.
Declined.^{[note 6]}

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^ This honorific has been removed.

^ The birthdate, birth location and number of children have been corrected. Additionally, infobox officeholder has been changed to the infobox academic variant.

^ Please provide the date range for this position.

^ It is unclear if one of these roles is academic in nature. The position at the NHS clearly is not; please clarify the duties at South Bank.

^ These claims ought to be sourced by URL's originating from the County of Gloucestershire.

^ Per WP:NOTCV.

Hi there. Many thanks for all you've done.

I can confirm Alfred was High Sheriff from 2006-07, as confirmed here: http://www.highsheriffgloucestershire.org.uk/the-gloucestershire-shrievalty/ This also confirms he is currently a Deputy Lieutenant (DL).

I am still sourcing a site that states the time-frame of Alfred at LMU, and will return shortly with insight into his duties at South Bank.

As for the Who's Who - I meant this in reference for further sourcing, as opposed to uploading all that it contains. Is it accepted as a viable source?

Until I return with the info; many thanks again for your help.

Samsywoodsy (talk) 15:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there @Spintendo:. I've been able to find another site that states Alfred is a High Sheriff of Gloucestershire ^[1]

This is not sourced by a URL originating from the County of Gloucestershire, but it is the sourced used on the High Sheriff of Gloucestershire article. Would this be acceptable?

Many thanks Samsywoodsy (talk) 09:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "No. 57921". The London Gazette. 9 March 2006. p. 3375.

[1] This honorific has been removed.

[2] The birthdate, birth location and number of children have been corrected. Additionally, infobox officeholder has been changed to the infobox academic variant.

[3] Please provide the date range for this position.

[4] It is unclear if one of these roles is academic in nature. The position at the NHS clearly is not; please clarify the duties at South Bank.

[5] These claims ought to be sourced by URL's originating from the County of Gloucestershire.

[6] Per WP:NOTCV.

[7] "No. 57921". The London Gazette. 9 March 2006. p. 3375.

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