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@Kober: Hey, I realize I should've just tweaked the sentence instead of adding that tag (Gvosdev appears to have a M.Phil in Russian and Eastern European Studies so the source is fine), but what I tried to say (or better yet, "wanted" to say!) is that there appears to be no consensus about the outcome of the 1804 battle at Echmiadzin. Some call it an inconclusive fight, while others call it an Iranian victory or a Russian victory:

Atkin, Muriel (1980). Russia and Iran. University of Minnesota Press. p. 76. ISBN 978-0816609246. "After some battles around the monastery of Echmiadzin in which there was no clear victory for either side, both armies turned their attention to Yerevan City (...)"
Cronin, Stephanie, ed. (2013). Iranian-Russian Encounters: Empires and Revolutions since 1800. Routledge. ISBN 978-0415624336. "After an inconclusive encounter at Uch Kelisa (Echmiadzin), the Russians laid siege to Iravan accompanied by heavy bombardment (...)"
Tucker, Spencer C., ed. (2010). A Global Chronology of Conflict: From the Ancient World to the Modern Middle East. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 978-1851096725. "The able Abbas Mirza with 20,000 men forces the Russian army of 5,000 men led by General Paul Tsitsianov (Sisianoff) to withdaw. The Persian army then disbands for the winter."
Atkin, Muriel (1980). Russia and Iran. University of Minnesota Press. p. 120. ISBN 978-0816609246. "His first objective was the Armenian religious center at Echmiadzin, where he encountered Abbas's army of 18,000. While the Russian artillery inflicted heavy damage, the Iranians showed that they were effective soldiers in their own way. The battle was an Iranian victory in that the Russians failed to take the monastery and had to withdraw."
Mikaberidze, Alexander, ed. (2011). Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World: A Historical Encyclopedia (Vol. 1). ABC-CLIO. p. 764. ISBN 978-1598843378. "(...) while Tsitsianov scored a victory over Iran's Crown Prince Abbas Mirza not far from the Echmiadzin Monastery (near Erivan) on (...)"

- LouisAragon (talk) 22:34, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. Reads Ok to me. --Kober^Talk 05:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Family of Prince Alexander of Georgia

@Kober: Hello, I would like to suggest to delete the label "illegitimate" that is used for one of Prince Alexander's children. The reasons are listed as follows:

Several articles such as npr and news24 state that children are NEVER illegitimate. It does not seem fair to use such a label or its synonyms for any children.
Such a claim about someone's child must be supported by several independent articles. In the case of Prince Alexander's child, only one reference is provided. Even then, the child has no guilt or sin of its own to be called or labeled as such.
Prince Alexander spent most of his life in 1800's in Persia. The rules, traditions, and standards of marriage were different in Persia from Georgia or Russia. It is likely that he followed the local traditions and legally married in Persia, as he did in one of his marriages, which was with Princess Maria Aghamalyan. But, some people unfamiliar with or opposing to the traditions or standards did not recognize the marriage as legal, and their opinions made it to the source.

Thanks

PrinceTehran (talk) 02:33, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]