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Cultural contributions questioned

The following text was added to the end of the "Cultural contributions" paragraph on 8 July 2015 by an IP editor:

But in fact after scrutiny it was found that those adaptations were not what it says in Bangla shahitter Itihash. They were all written during the middle of 19th century through the patronage of some Zamindar's in Rangpur. The writtings were as "Pandulipis" and handed down by a Zamindar called Harogopal Kundu from Gaibandha for publishing. Kabindra and srikar were fake names. Manshamangal was another case of fraudulence. It was also published during the same time, 19th century.

I have removed it from the article and placed it here because no source was provided, and none could be readily identified. It is possible, however, that more recent research than that cited in this article has discredited some of Alauddin Husain Shah's supposed cultural contributions. Any editor who can cite a reliable source for new information, and integrate it coherently into the article with appropriate context, is encouraged to do so. Worldbruce (talk) 18:11, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please state concerns here, it is upon you per WP:ONUS to address it instead of edit warring on the page. @WorldMo

Your first edit summary of: "The changes are not unexplained. Afghans didn't start in Eastern India until the collapse of the Jaunpur Sultanate, and Sher Shah Suri, a long time after Alauddin Hussain Shah's rule. Furthermore, it is well attested to by CONTEMPORARY sources - meaning people who were there -"

Thats not true, please see examples such as the Khalji dynasty of Bengal. Also see WP:HISTRS and WP:PRIMARY. We should almost exclusively rely on secondary sources. Noorullah (talk) 06:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

your sources isn't contemporary source's and the source that support that he was native is : fristly, Shah was Black like typical Bengalis and contemporary poets like: Kavindra Parameshwar and Krishna Das Kaviraj support it secondly, there are local tradition in Rangpur that support that his mother was bengali thirdly Babur which is contemporary to Nusrat Shah son of Hussain Shah called him bengali . Indirect evidences: why in his region bengali Bengali literature was in great age ?? why Zhong nw (talk) 06:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khilji is originally turk from central Asia please provide single contemporary of Alluddin Hussain Shah being afghan we have ton's of sources that direct and indirect evidences that support he was native Zhong nw (talk) 06:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have Archeology evidences local tradition contemporary source's and other indirect evidences . So please one contemporary source's that support your false claim 86.36.65.70 (talk) 06:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsing commentary and personal attacks by now-blocked user. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 19:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What the hell does the Khalji dynasty have to do with Alauddin Hussain Shah?! They're nearly 300 years apart.

Alauddin Hussain Shah was a native Bengali through and through.

1 - His humble origins as a farmer, working for a Hindu called Subudai Rai. No upper class Muslim would be working for a Hindu Brahmin as a cowherder.

2 - Upon his descent, he patronised Bangla heavily and appointed Bengalis, both Muslim and Hindu in upper class positions.

3 - Contemporary Portuguese sources confirm him to be a Bengali

4 - Babur referred to his son as 'dark-skinned' and 'Bengali.'

5 - His inscriptions are in Bengali and he patronised Bengali heavily.

6 - Native contemporary stories in Bengal, such as the one in Rangpur. WorldMo (talk) 21:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I told you very clearly why I mentioned the Khalji dynasty, your edit summary falsely concluded that "Afghans didn't start in Eastern India until the collapse of the Jaunpur Sultanate, and Sher Shah Suri, a long time after Alauddin Hussain Shah's rule." -- This is clearly not the case when the Khaljis were in the Bengal since the 1200s.

Secondly, contemporary sources are not reliable alone (to the editors above as well), see WP:RS and WP:SCHOLARSHIP.

Your claims here are unsourced and still do not prove any counter-weight to him being of Afghan origin. Noorullah (talk) 22:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khaljis were Turkic so you've already failed there, and worked for the Ghurids, who were also Turkic. They were based in Afghanistan, not ethnic Afghans. The build up of Afghans occurred during the interregnum of Sher Shah Suri, who encouraged the build up of true Afghans in eastern India, particularly Bihar and Odisha. The biggest migration of Afghans occurred in his rule. WorldMo (talk) 11:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, no source states he was of Afghan origin. It's laughable and you're an idiot if you actually believe it. He took the title of 'Syed' because native Muslims who took high positions used the title to embellish their status. This is why some historians think he was of actual Syed Arab origin, which is almost as laughable as the Afghan origin. Just log off now lil bro. WorldMo (talk) 11:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also just checked your profile, you're clearly an Afghan nationalist weirdo, you probably practice Bacha Bhazi, why don't you write an article on that? WorldMo (talk) 11:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refrain from WP:NPA, this is being taken to ANI. Noorullah (talk) 18:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]