Talk:Advanced landing ground

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Undetermined ALGs Damm and Wahn

I have no hard evidence to support this, but it seems to make sense that former Parchim Air Base near the town of Damm could well be the location of ALG B-140 Damm. Also, present day Köln-Bonn airport lies in the Wahn district of Köln and seems a likely candidate for what is ALG B-119 Wahn. Just going by the names.BabyNuke (talk) 04:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Correct designations of ALGs

Due to inconsistent quotation in WP:Germany's articles I have the following question:

What is the correct spelling of the ALG codes (example Schleswigland)?

B164
B 164
B-164
B.164

All variants have been found in Wikipedia and on (more or less) private webpages.
Please quote a reliable (preferably official) source. --Uli Elch (talk) 12:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Update 19 September 2015: Apparently, nobody has found a reliable source to answer this question since 2 September 2014. Therefore, any spelling variant has to be considered correct in WP articles.--Uli Elch (talk) 07:31, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't really answer your question definitively but as a rough guess the correct British contemporary official form would almost certainly be "B.164" whereas the US form would likely be "A-164", the two countries differing in their typographical conventions.

In UK usage and grammar the full stop "." signifies an abbreviated word ("British" in this case), and so the form I mention above is most likely. In UK usage the hyphen "-" signifies a joining of two words without a pause between them when spoken, e.g., Rolls-Royce.

Having written the above, typographical standards do vary, especially over time, and with writer, so your guess is as good as mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.148.220.13 (talk) 23:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for

The wright place of the Y-29 Asch was: 50°57'55.4"N 5°35'02.5"E 50.965378, 5.584027

—2A02:A03F:8BFB:7900:3020:C40:1359:FD79 (talk) 16:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for pointing out the error. Deor (talk) 17:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not the correct location and name

I think that B-93 Valkenburg aan de Geul, Netherlands Located: 50°51′56″N 005°49′55″E (approximately) is not correct and in fact is de location of Marinevliegkamp Valkenburg (or Fliegerhorst Katwijk) see link: (Dutch) https://katwijkinoorlog.nl/marinevliegkamp-valkenburg/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.172.235 (talk) 14:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus not to merge. Felix QW (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Advanced Landing Ground into Advance airfield. I think the content in Advanced Landing Ground can easily be explained in the context of Advance airfield, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in Advanced Landing Ground.Bero231 (talk) 08:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This article is about specific advance airfields of WWII North West European campaign. Advance airfield is an unreferenced stub. If this content was merged to Advance airfield it would overwhelm it. What advance airfield needs is expansion to cover usage from the early days of flying to the present day. GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

if this article is an exclusive listing of specific advance airfields of WII North West European campaign - so it should be renamed consequently. If it is not a limited list of advance airfields - why not to add there advance airfields from WII Eastern European campaign, WI campaigns, other wars….? --Aviapassion (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - ALG's are meant for logistics and troop movements. They are not airfields. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree The reason to agree is that both articles define and describe exactly the same notion. None of them contains a distinct separate notion. Moreover, the definition of ALG is a circular one, insofar in order to provide its own definition, it merely refers to definition of advance airfield: “Advanced Landing Grounds (ALGs) were temporary advance airfields”….” Damaged aircraft can land at the advance airfield to save those aboard, and possibly the aircraft. Wounded personnel can be brought to the advance airfield to be evacuated for more complete hospital care at the rear. Shorter-range aircraft such as fighters can stage from an advance airfield to escort longer-range bombers in formation.” - these are exactly definition of ALG. I see no difference at all between notions and concepts described in both articles.--Aviapassion (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of this article is set out by the entirety of the first sentence "Advanced Landing Grounds (ALGs) were temporary advance airfields constructed by the Allies during World War II during the liberation of Europe" (my emphasis) not by stopping after the first part. ALGs (all caps) are a subset of advance airfields which are a subset of airfields. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As per my previous comment, then it appears to me that the name of the article Advanced Landing Ground should be changed in Advanced Landing Grounds constructed by the Allies during World War II during the liberation of Europe (my previous reply comment: if this article is an exclusive listing of specific advance airfields of WII North West European campaign - so it should be renamed consequently. If it is not a limited list of advance airfields - why not to add there advance airfields from WII Eastern European campaign, WI campaigns, other wars….?) Bero231 (talk) 17:20, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1) that's not a proper article title per article name guidelines

2) that comment was by User:Aviapassion and was not "my previous reply comment" - unless you are operating a WP:SOCK

3) if you are aware of ALGs outside NW Europe, then suggest them. GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1) I agree, it’s not. That’s why I suggest to discuss here about merging articles or renaming AGL article properly.

2) Both accounts are mine: one on computer, the other logged in on phone.

3) https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Аэродром_подскока--Aviapassion (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Аэродром_подскока[reply]

When you create a proposal with one account, and then use a second account to chime in how you "agree" with the proposal, that gives an impression that you are using sockpuppets abusively to attempt to create an illusion of support for your proposal where none exists. That's a blockable offense that's taken pretty --Uli Elch (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2022 (UTC)seriously. Take a good long look at WP:SOCK and decide quickly how you intend to clean up the mess you appear to have created for yourself. RecycledPixels (talk) 22:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the two accounts are mine -please read above: I have clearly said this. I added argumentation with “Agree” paragraph to explain the arguments for merger since the initial proposal was a copy paste of the template text proposed by Wikipedia. Now, I wonder what are your arguments to keep two articles for the same subject?--Aviapassion (talk) 07:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. See definition: "Advanced Landing Grounds (ALGs) were temporary advance airfields constructed by the Allies during World War II"

This was a special, dedicated term provided solely to those fields built in WW II during the Western Europe campaign. Due to its sheer size and mass of details, it should not be merged with the purely general term "Advance airfield". --Uli Elch (talk) 10:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC):[reply]

The argument of making a separate list of certain specific airfields sounds reasonable. The only question remaining is: is the term ALG specific to the constructed by the Allies during World War II in the UK prior to the invasion and thereafter in northwest Europe from 6 June 1944 to V-E Day, 7 May 1945 - hence in the UK only or all over the world? --Aviapassion (talk) 11:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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