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Hello Colanao Khod, please get your facts straight. Tyla is the sole leader of the nomination list per sources you've cited. Although, she is leading by 7, they say it's 5 (excluding 2 nominations announced in mid-August), and Kabza is 4. So, please. I plan on getting this article to GA after the ceremony. dxneo (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As per source cited Tyla is leading (remember it only counts nominations announced on September 27), however if you count public voting nominations announced last month plus the recent one are equivalent to Kabza De Small Colanao Khod (talk) 20:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the nominations, I can only count 4 Kabza noms and 5 Tyla noms. Sources say Tyla is the sole leader, going against the sources is very discouraged per WP:OR. But it's okay, I'll rewrite everything after the ceremony. dxneo (talk) 00:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do your research the nominations list is incomplete, Isimo is nominated for Best Amapiano Album, Duo/Group of the Year, Album of the Year secondly under Motsepe Foundation Record of the Year he got three for nominations and lastly 1 Best Collaboration nom which makes a total of 7 Colanao Khod (talk) 03:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the sources for this statement? Because we can all see that source say Tyla is the sole leader. Anyway, I'll come back here after the ceremony. Maybe I'll help you get it to GA. dxneo (talk) 08:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source titled Tyla is leads the nominees refers to categories revealed lastly, however if we count her noms together with public voting categories they both lead with Kabza De Small. I hope its clear this time Colanao Khod (talk) 15:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't clear anything and I'm definitely not gonna engage in edit wars with you although I know you'd lose if this ended up in the hands of admins. The sources are definitely on my side. On 14 August, only 2 categories were announced, and now Kabza landed 4, which sums up to 6. However, I wanna help you get your first GA, so I will not argue any further. And for me or us to get this to GA, content must be verifiable, meaning a lot will change, including what we are discussing now. Hope you understand. dxneo (talk) 10:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another thing, I noticed you like creating these kind of articles. So would you please clean them up after creating them, and maintain them. The wikilinks, MOS and punctuation, you always miss those kind of stuff. It is not "SAMPRA Album of the Year", it is "Album of the Year (presented by SAMPRA)". Just thought I should let you know. dxneo (talk) 10:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do whatever you want to do, am not up for arguments Colanao Khod (talk) 10:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 November 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 10:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Per 29th and SAMA 30 general rules (PDF), the official website's about, yearly YouTube live streams (29th and 30th) and of course per multiple RS (allAfrica, TimesLIVE and Eyewitness News just to mention a few). dxneo (talk) 21:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Frostly (talk) 08:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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This review is transcluded from Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/30th Annual South African Music Awards/archive1. The edit link below can be used to make additional comments.

Featured list candidates

30th Annual South African Music Awards

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Nominator(s): dxneo (talk) 11:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 30th Annual South African Music Awards celebrated the best albums, songs, and music videos. Tyla was the biggest winner of the event. Hosted by Minnie Dlamini, it featured performers from the likes of Nasty C. Every winner was awarded a prize fund for that specific award. Special pings for peer reviewers, PSA and Medxvo. dxneo (talk) 11:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medxvo

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Most of my concerns were previously addressed during the PR, but I want to add some comments

  • Citation 1 can probably be placed just once at the end of the first paragraph of the background section since it supports all of the preceding information—WP:CONSECUTIVECITE, WP:REPCITE
  • Same issue for the last sentence of the third paragraph
  • Same issue for the first two sentences of the presenters section
  • Same issue for the last two sentences of the second paragraph of the reaction section
  • "highlighted in bold were necessary" - "where necessary"?
  • The RiSA abbreviation can be removed from the lead since it wasn't mentioned again there
  • Why are the performances section tables not sortable and why are the presenters not even listed in a table?
  • Most Streamed Song of the Year seems to be presented by CAPASSO
  • The Mthandeni SK and Nyovest controversy can have its own paragraph instead of being separated between the first two paragraph of the reaction section

Medxvo (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All done. As for tabulating the presenters, I just didn't think it would look good since they presented awards and other presenters. dxneo (talk) 12:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the first, third, and fourth issues are still there. Would you like me to explain further or did you forget to fix them? Also please see Help:Sortable tables#Background colors in sortable headers to fix the sortable tables with a background color issue (just use "background-color" instead of "background"). I also just noticed that most of the FLs of the award shows have the winners and nominees section placed before the performances/presenters sections. Why is it not like this here? Medxvo (talk) 13:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
must've missed them opps. All good now.
Question: Why must the table be sortable when there's no rowspans?
  • I put the presenter and performances before the awards and nominations because during the show we saw the presenters and performances before the awards haha and I was referencing BET Awards 2024. Should I change it?
dxneo (talk) 14:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think the sortable tables are only used when there are rowspans? It just helps the users to navigate the data, see Help:Sortable tables#Using sortable tables, and also 96th Academy Awards#Presenters and performers from a 2024 featured list for a similar example, which has the sortable table.
  • 2024 BET Awards isn't a FL, see Wikipedia:Featured lists#Awards for FL references, I'm pretty sure all of them have the winners/nominees placed before the presenters/performances. I also think that the SAMAs performances were between the awards during the show not before them, no? The show even ended with the "Umlilo" and "Manzi Nte" performances :)
Medxvo (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done, I moved the section and sorted the table. SAMA 30 opened with performances from Ishmael, Thebe, Skwatta Kamp and so on, before they even introduced the presenters. I watched the whole show live. Anything you'd like to add? dxneo (talk) 15:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Best of luck! Medxvo (talk) 15:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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I have made a source review and some spotchecks during the PR, but also some comments

  • "Entries for nomination consideration were open from 1 March 2024 to 14 April" - the source says 15 April
  • The source says that the cash prize for Album of the Year is 25 000 ZAR not 20 000 ZAR

Everything else seems fine to me. Medxvo (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Med, you the best. I like how you also noticed the inaccuracies on Prizes and entry dates. dxneo (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

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  • Unfortunately, the conjoined tables (everything in Winners and nominees) are pretty problematic from an accessibility perspective. Fundamentally the issue is that they are presented like a table of data, but it's actually just boxes stuck together. You can't use pseudo-header rows like that (MOS:COLHEAD), but even if you make every "row" its own table, the two columns aren't really related, it's just that you wanted to save space. Fortunately, there's a way to do exactly what you're trying to do (MOS:LTAB), and it's not hard to fix. See the code in e.g. 54th Academy Awards - add role="presentation" before the class="wikitable" to let screen-reader software know that it's not a data table, just a layout/presentation scheme, and then instead of columns and rows, you just use the {{Award category}} template, or else make each box a div yourself if that seems better to you. See the documentation at the Award category template for instructions on how to convert a psuedo-table to use that template.
  • I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 02:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Never done this before. So far I have only used {{Award category}} on the Top 5 categories, can you please verify if I'm in the right direction before I move on. dxneo (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All done. dxneo (talk) 10:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good! I added in screen-reader-only table captions, but that's minor and I hadn't mentioned it. --PresN 19:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elias

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Hi! Appreciate the ping. Thanks for reminding me about this FLC; onwiki priorities went all over the place because of usual irl reasons... anyway. expect a response by the end of the week :) Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 06:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


A handful of drive-by comments

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  • I don't think we need two different photos of Tyla right next to each other
Fixed. dxneo (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just to confirm, although the category is called (for example) "Female Artist of the Year", it is awarded not to the artist generically, but to a specific recording by the artist////?
Honestly, this has always been something I never quite understood. I mean, it's Female Artist of the Year, I think it's awarded to both. dxneo (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's the difference (apart from one letter ) between "Best Pop Album" and "Beste Pop Album"?
Haha, Best is English and Beste is Afrikaans. dxneo (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm surprised that you said "how come" haha. There are just some things that do not have answers to, but there's Best Contemporary Faith Music Album, Best Adult Contemporary Album (English), and Best African Adult Contemporary Album (Presented by Ikwekwezi FM). Very few are in Afrikaans I guess. dxneo (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

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  • "Tyla won the most awards, receiving four awards." => "Tyla won the most awards, receiving four." (avoid repeating "award")
  • "Kabza de Small received three awards alongside Mthunzi." => "Kabza de Small and Mthunzi received three awards."
  • "and R4,600.00 ($311.23) for non-members including value-added tax per entry for all categories" => "and for non-members it was R4,600.00 ($311.23) including value-added tax per entry for all categories"
  • "Tyla emerged as the most awarded artist with four accolades; trailing behind was Kabza de Small and Mthunzi with three" => "Tyla emerged as the most awarded artist with four accolades, ahead of Kabza de Small and Mthunzi with three" ("trailing behind" sounds a bit judgmental)
  • "Below is the list of winners highlighted in bold where necessary." => "In the list below, winners are highlighted in bold where necessary."
  • In the Main show performances tables, some songs are centred and others are not
  • "were in attendance of the main event" => "were in attendance at the main event"
  • "Tyla's "Water" lost Record of the Year award" => "Tyla's "Water" lost the Record of the Year award"
  • First two tiny paragraphs under "Reaction" should be merged
  • "he should've reached out privately" => "he should have reached out privately" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you Chris, one thing I did not understand is that "some songs are centred and others are not." So, I don't really know what to fix since I don't see anything wrong, because I did not use {{center}}. Any suggestion on how I can fix this? dxneo (talk) 11:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On my screen at least, the whole column is centred with the exception of some rows with use {{ubl}} (don't know what that is), which seems to have the effect of over-riding the default alignment of the column and making them left-aligned -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On my screen they were and they still are all centered. I replaced {{ubl}} with <br/>. How does it look now? dxneo (talk) 19:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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