Talk:2C-H

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Another wikipedia article regarding 2,5-Dimethoxy-PEA or 2C-H exists, however the former is less informative and up-to-date as this one so either merge or delete the other one. I don't know how to do either of these things so someone please look into this. The other one is 2,5-DMPEA or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%2C5-DMPEA (same link). Thanks.--Astavats (talk) 08:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Page move?

@Tony1: Why was this page moved from hyphen-separated (2C-H) to endash-separated (i.e. 2C–H)? None of the other 2C family compounds, or any other organics I looked at use an endash. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Alan, all compounds should have an en dash, not a hyphen. That is as it is in the major style authorities, and per advice from WPian chemists I consulted. Tony (talk) 22:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

@Tony1: I'm sorry, but would you cite your sources? I can't find any evidence of dashes being used or appropriate in WP or elsewhere – I found exactly the opposite. Examples:

• All the other 2C-* articles for the compounds of the 2C family (as well as that article itself) (2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-F, 2C-G, 2C-I, 2C-N, 2C-O, 2C-O-4, 2C-P, 2C-SE, 2C-T, 2C-T-2, 2C-T-4, 2C-T-7, 2C-T-8, 2C-T-9, 2C-T-13, 2C-T-15, 2C-T-17, 2C-T-21, 2C-TFM)
• The three huge navboxes at the bottom of the article, listing different types of names (brand, common, systematic) for many compounds: {{Phenethylamines}}, {{Hallucinogens}}, {{PiHKAL}}. I checked that they were no redirects to dashed versions of the same name, too.
• WP:Naming conventions (chemistry) mentions and shows hyphens for various types of names.
• The PiHKAL book
• IUPAC R0.1.3.4 uses hyphens. (The use of dashes noted at R-1.2.3.4 (CO + BH₃ → CO•BH₃ "carbon monoxide – borane") is not relevant to this situation. "2C-H" is not a compound of something called "2C" and something called "H" – the "2C" represents the 2 carbon atoms between the benzene ring and the amino group and the "H" is simply an index letter from A to T (currently) within the family (though some were obviously chosen to be related to whatever is at the R4 position).)
• USANs, as published by the AMA, use hyphens, not dashes, for generic retail drug names.
• The relevant MOS pages do not mention hyphens or dashes, except WP:MOSCHEM#Skeletal formulas, in which it makes sense to use endashes to match the length of double- and triple-bonds. We are not talking about skeletal formulas, though.
• The bill adding it to Schedule I, as well as Schedule I at DOJ
• Results of a Google search for ["2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine" "2C-H" -"wikipedia" -site:findthedata.org] have no endashes in them, whether you use hyphens or endashes in the search terms (they are equivalent in the search database).

I know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not normally a good argument, but when taken in combination with everything else, I believe the hyphen is the correct character, not the endash. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

edited at —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:41, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

edited at —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

• I'm afraid Alan is right; as far as I know hyphens in chemical names should be shown by hyphens, not en-dashes, though the latter would be appropriate for showing bonds, which this, however, is not. --John (talk) 20:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

So why does the page still have the erroneous en-dash? Double sharp (talk) 02:45, 12 September 2016 (UTC)