Talk:20 Y.O.

'Weekend' is NOT the new single...

Janet's official website has confirmed that the song is not the new single, nor will it feature on the new album. Its just a 'taster' of whats to come. See www.janetjackson.comRimmers 19:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

20 Y.O. has not sold 2.5 million...

EMI Annual Report 2007 reports distributors has sold sold 1.2 million of 20 Y.O. "All sales figures are for the 12 months ended 31 March 2007. Unit sales include digital albums and digital track album equivalents." http://www.shareholder.com/visitors/dynamicdoc/document.cfm?CompanyID=EMIL&DocumentID=1798&PIN=&Page=3&Zoom=1x

Weekend is not the single!

Weekend isn't even a taste of 20 years old.

John Mayer

For some odd reason, someone went in the middle of a sentence and posted a link to John Mayer. Regardless of personal opinions (he sucks), it had nothing to do with Janet, so I edited it out.~CB

Re-write

Much of the article just includes direct copy and paste jobs from the EMI press release. Wikipedia isnt a news site - and this type of content isnt appropriate for Wikipedia. It needs a re-write to bring the article in line with Wiki regulations Rimmers 20:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Just to point out, this was done. The information does come from that press release, along with others but was put into our own words. Once the album comes out, the page will be completely re-written. For now, it gives a taste of what the album is about.

Album Cover

is this the current official cover? or the one that will be used after the 1-million copies? I was just wondering cause the results didn't come out yet and this could be submitted by anybody. I'm suspecting the authenticity of the cover. -- Omernos 22:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The cover in the article at the moment is the official album cover; the competition where fans submit a cover is for the limited edition release of the album only. Rimmers 22:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Copy Control

Does anyone know whether or not this release will have copy control (aka "copy protection") in the U.S.? EMI has never officially announced the end of copy control in the U.S. (it's been the only major label still using it in the U.S. since the 2005 Sony BMG CD copy protection scandal), but I haven't seen any new releases with it in months, and Macrovision quietly dropped Cactus Data Shield (EMI's copy control system) from the product list on its website. --RBBrittain 01:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Cover Tampering

I deleted the album cover temporarily because someone tampered with the actual cover photo of 20 Y.O. Instead of Janet's face, there was another person attached to the artwork. A prank was pulled so if anyone could reinsert the proper photo -- it would be greatly appreciated.

New York Times review

I would say that the New York Times review is more negative than positive--the article complains about how her work for this album sounds like the works she's done prior to this record. I don't really see anything positive about the article, and if you do, please let me know I'm in the wrong.

Copy edit

Have copy-edited this article and removed the tag, but there are a few things that don't make sense! Someone who knows about this album, please fix the following:

• "The addition of producer Jermaine Dupri, quotes Jackson as saying..."
• In the Response section the sentence is "The album has gotten a mixed response from critics" is closely followed by "20 Y.O. has so far, even though early, proven to be a success with critics"

Error

MTV never "Refused to play" Janet Jackson. Virgin Records did NOT sign a promotional contract with MTV, therefore MTV had no obligation to promote Janet Jackson. Virgin only signed a contract with VH1 and BET with no interest in MTV until Virgin learned the trajectory of poor sales for Janet's new album. After this, Virgin crawled back to MTV by signing a small promotional contract to put Janet Jackson into mind and rotation.

Okay, I've edited the article to reflect this. However, there's going to have to be some evidence of this sooner or later... Brittany Ka 11:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 06:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

To anyone editing this page in the future I decide to take out the last line of a commercial disappointment because it seemed a little malicious ok the album has shipped 1 million copies. Ok dont make projections. The time is still there fro the 1 million to sell so leave it be with that!

Enjoy Has Been Confirmed to be the Third Single

I added a link to the "Enjoy" single page, etc.

Janet's positions in Colombia

For some reason, there's someone posting Janet's 20 Y.O. album as being very successful in Colombia. Unfortunately, Janet doesn't do very well in Colombia. Her albums have never done well at all here. 20 YO has done poorly in sales and neither of the 2 singles released so far, has received any airplay. So please, whoever is posting these lies, STOP! and if they aren't lies, then let us know which are your sources!! As far as I know, Colombia lacks an official "music chart", besides the sales charts posted by each independent store....

20 Y.O. in Colombia

--Cesarc1989 14:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)20 Y.O. was never official released in Colombia, only 3 big music stores are selling the album in US$25 (too expensive). In Tower Records Colombia it peaked #20 in sales in the tower's shops in 5 different cities in Colombia. In Prodiscos peaked #17 in sales in the shops of 23 different cities in Colombia. But the album never entered on the official albums chart. The singles Call on Me and So Excited only got airplay in Medellín, in Bogotá the songs were never played at all.--Cesarc1989 14:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Janet featuring Mariah

I don't think Janet and Mariah are going to do a duet for the repackaged version of this album since both of them are working on new albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.196.111 (talk) 20:10, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Reviews

I feel that section can be deleted from the article. There's already links to the reviews in the info box--if people want to read the reviews, they can just click the links in the info box instead of the summary at the bottom of this article. THE evil fluffyface (talk) 11:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit needed

There's still a lot of messy expression in this article, lots of POV, and it lacks structure. I will try and clean it up at some point. (It also needs a bunch of references, but a good-faith cleanup seems like the place to start.) Gusworld (talk) 06:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

1980s diplomacy fanzine

20 Y.O. was also that... Rich Farmbrough, 21:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC).

Orphaned references in 20 Y.O.

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 20 Y.O.'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "slant":

• From That's the Way Love Goes (Janet Jackson song): Cinquemani, Sal (February 17, 2008). "Janet Jackson: janet. - Music Review - Slant Magazine". Slant Magazine. Retrieved August 22, 2013.
• From Son of a Gun (I Betcha Think This Song Is About You): Cinquemani, Sal (December 15, 2001). "Top 10 Albums & Singles of 2001". Slant Magazine. Retrieved July 21, 2014.
• From The Velvet Rope: Henderson, Eric (November 23, 2006). "Janet Jackson: The Velvet Rope". Slant Magazine. Retrieved January 16, 2013.
• From Got 'til It's Gone: Sal Cinquemani and Ed Gonzalez (2003-06-30), 100 Greatest Music Videos, Slant Magazine, retrieved 2012-03-09
• From If (Janet Jackson song): Cinqueman, Sal (February 17, 2008). "Janet Jackson: janet. - Music Review - Slant Magazine". Retrieved September 8, 2013.
• From Rhythm Nation: "The 100 Best Singles of the 1980s - Feature - Slant Magazine". Slant Magazine. 20-08-12. Retrieved 04-01-14. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= and |date= (help)
• From Kelly Rowland: Cinquemani, Sal (2002-11-02). "ALBUM REVIEW: Kelly Rowland – Simply Deep". Slant. Retrieved 2011-05-23.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:20 Y.O./GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 09:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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• One DAB link needs correcting
• Multiple dead links

Lead

• American singer-songwriter → American singer and songwriter
• It was released on September 20, 2006 by Virgin Records. Its title references her third studio album, Control (1986), which commemorated its twentieth release anniversary in 2006. → Released on September 20, 2006, by Virgin Records, the title makes reference to her third studio album Control which was released in 1986, a commemoration to its twentieth anniversary.
• The release would represent Control's "celebration of the joyful liberation and history-making musical style". → 20 Y.O. represents the "celebration of the joyful liberation and history-making musical style" of Control.
• For the project, Jackson enlisted a variation of producers to work with her, including LRoc, Manuel Seal, The Avila Brothers and No I.D., in addition to her longtime partners Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and then-boyfriend Jermaine Dupri. Its musical style globalizes R&B and dance music. → An R&B and dance music album, Jackson enlisted a range of producers to work on material with, including LRoc, Manuel Seal, The Avila Brothers and No I.D., in addition to her longtime partners Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and then-boyfriend Jermaine Dupri.
• chastising the production → Not sure what you mean by this? Do you mean limited or restrained?
• If it's a mixed reception, then best to include one positive and one negative, not two negatives.
• Worldwide the album has sold 1.2 million copies. → It has sold approximately 1.2 million copies worldwide.

Background

• That block quote does not need quotation marks, because it's an indented block quote.
• The picture should either be removed or moved to the right, because it's not obvious that the quote should actually be indented. Instead, it looks like a paragraph of prose.
• Following the album's release → comma after release

Development

• when they elaborated the first themes, and songwriting and recording began in earnest in February. →This needs re-phrasing, "elaborated" and "earnest" are misused.
• The block quote again needs its quotation marks removing.

Critical reception

• the saddest thing → Sounds slightly bias. Either re-word or quote from the review
• a terrible R&B instead → is a word missing here?

Commercial performance

• 20 Y.O. debuted on the US Billboard 200 at number two with 296,000 copies sold, →Source?
• being knocked off from the top by Ludacris' album Release Therapy, which sold 309,000 copies at its first week. → How can it be knocked off when it never reached number one?
• the effort debuted → 20 Y.O. debuted (otherwise it sounds like like you are talking about The Velvet Rope)
• In its second week, the album fell to number nine, → On the Top 200?
• In Switzerland, the album debuted and peaked → There's no point using debuted as well as peaked.

Singles

• The album's first single, "Call on Me", was released to US radio on June 19, 2006.→ Source?
• It received mixed reviews from critics. → Such as?
• It received mixed reviews from critics.[87][32 → I'd swap the refs around so 32 comes first.
• The song was a success on the charts, becoming her most successful single in some countries since "All for You" in 2001. → Source?
• It peaked at number 25 on the Billboard Hot 100. →Source?
• Sources need to be at the end of each sentence. If not, link sentences together and include them at the end. But separate sentences need to have as source at the end.
• thirtieth top ten single.[88][49] → Again, 49 before 88
• The music video incorporates Indian, Asian, and African styles, with a mixture of outfits and hairstyles, with a total of five wardrobe changes. → Source?
• The second single, "So Excited", was released on August 28, 2006. → Source?
• In Finland, "So Excited" peaked at number nine, while in Italy, it reached number 28, and peaking at number 13 in Spain.[96][97] → You mention three countries but only two sources for two countries.
• Due to her diminished role in the music video, she criticized Jackson online. → Who? This needs clarifying a bit more.

Tracklisting

• Include samples etc. underneath the table, like on Me. I Am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse.
• Who wrote and produced tracks 7 and 10.

Weekly charts

• US Digital isn't allowed to be included.

References

• Use {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}} for the references, not {{Reflist|2}}

Other

• There should be a See also section between the Release history and the References. List of Billboard number-one R&B albums of 2006 should be included for example.

• I think there are quite a lot issues here, mainly dead links, need for sourcing and clarification of prose, text and statements. I don't think this is of GA standard yet, but with doing the above and perhaps getting someone else to go through before you nominate again, then it should be on the way to being a GA.  — ₳aron 17:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:20 Y.O./Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Article requirements: Y All the start class criteria Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details Y At least one section of prose (excluding the lead section) Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs N A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians Y Categorisation at least by artist and year Y A casual reader should learn something about the album.

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