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A while ago, I removed the "Outgoing delegation" section from this article, and I see it has been restored. I believe it would be better to replace this table by a link to the article List of members of the European Parliament for the Netherlands, 2019–2024 to not add to the multitude of tables already contained in this election article. I feel that the full outgoing delegation is merely background to this election, as an election is solely concerned with electing the new members. The contesting parties are listed, and the results show the changes for every party compared to the previous election. (pinging @Fm3dici97:) - Tristan Surtel (talk) 20:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tristan Surtel I respectfully disagree with the choice of removing that table, for two main reasons:
- In the context of the European Parliament elections, EP Groups are usually way more important than national parties in terms of voting decisions and political alignments, therefore tables linking not just the outgoing, but also the incoming delegation to the respective European groups should be included to give a better idea of how the Dutch delegation did and will contribute to the overall European framework (see for example the case of GL-PvdA, who act as a united block at national level but will join different EP groups and therefore will behave quite differently in Europe). Tables about outgoing delegations are actually quite standard even for national elections, it's just in this specific case that I support a version with an explicit link to the corresponding EP groups
- Being all the "2024 European Parliament election in <country>" (and not just for this year) actually just national subsections of the same Europe-wide election, I support a certain degree of standardization between all those pages. Meaning that I think they should have more or less the same skeleton, contain the same fundamental info (electoral system, outgoing delegation, participating parties, results breakdown both in terms of national parties and EP groups and so on) to make them all equally accessible to users who reach them from the main European election page. Fm3dici97 (talk) 08:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can't it be merged with the table under Results or Contesting Parties? I agree with Tristan Surtel that listing all outgoing members is not useful. Dajasj (talk) 11:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can follow the argument about EP groups being relevant to track. Per Dajasj, I believe it would be preferable to incorporate this data into those other tables, as the information not about EP groups is basically already there. If possible in an elegant way, this could perhaps adopted by articles for EU elections in other constituencies. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bit tricky cause you also have parties who change affiliation from one EP session to the next (see PVV switching to Patriots for Europe), represented parties that decide not to run anymore, parties that did not run in the previous election (and therefore would count as new in the results table) but that for some reason had one or more outgoing MEPs and so on. One possible solution could be to add only a smaller table in the results section like the one in 2024 European Parliament election in the Czech Republic#European groups, but with this the link between parties and groups would be missing and that's actually the main goal of the outgoing delegation table. Fm3dici97 (talk) 09:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I'd propose to add below table to the results section (similar to the Czech one) with a description above mentioning the change in affiliations (namely PfE being new and joined by the PVV, the EPPG being joined by BBB and NSC, and Volt switching affiliations). The "Contesting parties" section includes alliance affiliations (it would be hard to include in the results table too due to the PvdA–GL split). The relevant article can then be linked instead of including the full "Outgoing delegation" table, thereby removing a longer table/information that is only tangentially relevant (especially the names) to an election article. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 08:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
