Talk:2024 English Open (snooker)

Unreferenced footnote

@Chris-schannes: You put in a footnote about Ding Junhui not entering so that Matthew Selt moved into the seeds. Absolutely correct, but I can't find a source to reference this. I think we should remove this footnote. Agreed?  Alan  (talk) 20:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah probably. I put it in thinking at some point the WST would mention Ding not entering but apparently not. Chris-schannes (talk) 23:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Format: Redundant paragraph

The first paragraph in »Format«, as of now, is completely redundant. Everything in it repeats only what is already said in the opening summary, which the »Format«-section directly follows. 217.94.139.42 (talk) 23:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

This is pretty much the way it is always done. Look at the previous year. Change it if you like. It's better to change something you don't like (if it's an improvement) rather than just complain about it.  Alan  (talk) 11:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to hear other people’s opinions first. Now I got yours, which doesn’t seem in favour of deleting the whole paragraph, so I won’t do that. I took out the part about Trump’s defeat in the quarter-finals, though, it doesn’t fit into the Format-section. 217.94.139.42 (talk) 16:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks OK to me.  Alan  (talk) 17:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Century breaks

There were 69 centuries, with 23 in qualifying and 46 in the main rounds. These are split in this way by our main source and we usually split them this way too. In this case, however, we have lumped them all together, because (unusually) the main rounds followed straight after the qualifying rounds, all at the same venue. So my question is: do we leave it as it is, or should we split them up? It isn't too hard to do, but my preference would be to leave it as it is. Opinions please.  Alan  (talk) 19:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Nigej, Lee Vilenski, Chris-schannes, Catb2006, Andygray110, CitroenLover, Mrloop, HurricaneHiggins, and BennyOnTheLoose: I've had a re-think about this and it now seems to me that we should follow the source and split these. Also it will show that the 147 was in a qualifying round, and the players that had centuries in both the qualifying rounds and the final rounds. It will look like this:

Final rounds centuries

A total of 46 century breaks were made in the final rounds of the tournament.<ref_here>

• 140, 128 – Anthony McGill
• 138, 104, 104 – Neil Robertson
• 137, 115 – Mark Selby
• 137 – Matthew Stevens
• 136 – Zhang Anda
• 131 – Aaron Hill
• 127, 126, 123, 108, 100 – Wu Yize
• 127, 104 – Jiang Jun
• 126 – Chris Wakelin
• 125 – He Guoqiang
• 125 – Oliver Lines
• 124, 124, 115 – Shaun Murphy
• 124 – David Gilbert
• 123 – Gary Wilson
• 120 – Jamie Clarke
• 119, 106, 105 – Hossein Vafaei
• 116 – Ricky Walden
• 114, 100 – Xu Si
• 114 – Ishpreet Singh Chadha
• 112 – Pang Junxu
• 110, 107 – Matthew Selt
• 110 – Stuart Bingham
• 109 – Si Jiahui
• 108, 105 – John Higgins
• 108 – Kyren Wilson
• 107 – Ross Muir
• 101 – Michael Holt
• 101 – Judd Trump
• 100 – Mark Allen
• 100 – Barry Hawkins

Qualifying rounds centuries

A total of 23 century breaks were made in the qualifying rounds of the tournament.<ref_here>

• 147 – Fan Zhengyi<ref_here>
• 141, 104 – Jiang Jun
• 138 – Artemijs Žižins
• 137, 114 – Louis Heathcote
• 130 – Jamie Jones
• 128 – Liu Hongyu
• 128 – Zak Surety
• 126 – Robbie Williams
• 125 – Jordan Brown
• 122 – Aaron Hill
• 121 – Oliver Sykes
• 113 – Ben Woollaston
• 112, 105 – Xing Zihao
• 112, 101 – Gong Chenzhi
• 107 – Andrew Higginson
• 102 – Jackson Page
• 101 – Cheung Ka Wai
• 100 – Simon Blackwell
• 100 – Mitchell Mann

Opinions please.  Alan  (talk) 08:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the split. It follows the conventions of other tournaments. It seems like the WST itself wasn't sure at first what to call the first couple rounds but they've landed on "qualifying rounds" at some point and all other sources seem to agree on that. The fact that they were held at the same venue just days prior to the event doesn't fundamentally change the fact that the tournament was split up in two parts, qualifying and main event. This is also confirmed by the fact that there was a break in play on the Sunday before the main event. Also, we'll have to see how they handle all the other Home Nations and the German but with the Northern Ireland at least, they seem to confirm that yes, there is a clear qualifying stage. Chris-schannes (talk) 09:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I also agree with the split. In my view, we should stop trying to follow a WST nomenclature that is haphazard and inconsistent. It would be preferable to refer to qualifying as a separate stage, and then the main stage as (whatever applies of) round of 64, round of 32, round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals, and final. Saying "X lost to Y in the second round" is pretty meaningless if there's no consistent understanding of "second round." "X lost to Y in the round of 32" is at least clear and consistent from tournament to tournament. HurricaneHiggins (talk) 10:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Assuming that all the others I ping'd are not bothered one way or the other, I have gone ahead and done the split, which now agrees with the referenced source.  Alan  (talk) 18:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@AlH42 I was late to seeing this post, but I'm fine with this change. We're seeing the vast majority of tournaments have tiered draws with qualifying rounds anyway, so having them separated is helpful and also ensure that any future change WST might make is covered. Obviously this is not a change that requires retroactively updating due to many years of there being no qualifying rounds to begin with. -- CitroenLover (talk) 18:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I think that's good enough for consensus.  Alan  (talk) 07:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Whatever the sources say we should follow. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

We are.  Alan  (talk) 13:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)