Talk:2011 England riots/map

August 6

London

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Location of all events mentioned in article for August 6

August 7

London

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Location of all events mentioned in article for August 7

August 8

National

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Location of all events mentioned (outside London) in article for August 8

Discussion

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I'm looking to get a map generated per the request at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop#England riots. Or perhaps more accurately, a set of maps - a London-specific and a national map. It will be much easier for me if there's a simple list of London Boroughs and other cities affected (with a source for each please!).

Also, the map to the right uses {{location map+}} to show two of the locations mentioned. The wiki-markup should be easy enough to extend to show dozens of points. I can assist if its unclear how to encode the data.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful idea, there are sections within the article already about which London boroughs and districts have been affected. You can view them by date:

• 6 August
• 7 August
• 8 August
• 9 August

I wonder if it makes sense to do a separate map per date, otherwise the map might be overpopulated. -Marcusmax(speak) 21:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm inclined to seperate by date. The reason I have requested boroughs, as opposed locations is that better translates to filling in the areas on the appropriate blank map. At a quick read through I couldn't identify which boroughs have been affected from the list of locations. I'll go through more thoroughly later and try to update map to right (seperating dates if necessary).--Nilfanion (talk) 22:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I've updated the map to include all locations mentioned in the article (that have articles) for the 6th and 7th. There are some very close together of course, because Enfield Town and Enfield Town railway station are both mentioned - therefore Selecting pruning may be sensible.

This process can be continued onto the 8th and 9th, but as the events start to get much more widespread then it will take a lot more effort to analyse the coordinates.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not particularly happy about the inclusion criteria either (being mentioned in article), I'd rather be using the sources directly. I suggest setting up a table on a subpage such as Talk:2011 England riots/map to include date, location, and latitude/longitude. That will make map generation easier.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Great work here. I'm reluctant to include it in the article until we have one showing other locations outside of London to go with it. The subpage co-ordination idea is a good one. violet/riga _^[talk] 23:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

The England wide map would work on same principle - just using {{location map England}} instead. As it stands, the map to right could be used to illustrate the sections on August 6 and August 7, which are London only.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Added map to right showing all non-London locations on August 8. The points in Scotland demonstrate why we need to work out proper inclusion criteria "arresting teenagers for inciting disorder on Facebook" is not the same as "rioters throwing missiles", we also should be using the point location of the actions not that of the locality (if that makes sense).--Nilfanion (talk) 10:24, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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While the rioting is a current event I think we should concentrate on the multi-dot location maps, working out what exactly to include (noting time, location, local authority, lat/long, source and nature of event?) The local authority info is necessary for area maps, and will make sorting easier. It will be possible to generate maps of other areas: so a larger scale map of Haringey or Manchester or whatever, if there's editoral need for it.

In longer term, I'm thinking of the following: An animated GIF showing the progression of events with one frame per day (possibly multiple frames per day if we think the day/night cycle is relevant); A single image showing the total areas/points affected; Daily maps showing areas/points affected. Might as well upload the full set to Commons and figure out what is needed.

Also in the longer term, the multi-dot location maps should be replaced by static maps (which can be used elsewhere - other WPs for instance). The real advantage of location maps is we can much more easily adjust them and once we know what we want on it we can "fix" it into permanent form. Thoughts, and help with data please?--Nilfanion (talk) 21:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)