Talk:2011–12 Australia women's national goalball team

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January 29, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed
March 8, 2013	Good topic candidate	Promoted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 11, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Michelle Rzepecki, a member of the 2011–12 Australia women's national goalball team, scored an own goal in the team's final London Paralympics game against Sweden?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2011–12 Australia women's national goalball team/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Leech44 (talk · contribs) 23:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC) I'll give this one a go. I have given it a once over and should have some comments up soon.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 23:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Overall it looks pretty good, but I do have a few comments

Lead

It says the team is nicknamed the Belles, but in the background it says the team is nicknamed Australian Belles. If the official nickname is Australian Belles the lead should reflect that. IMO you would still be fine simply calling them the Belles throughout the rest of the article.
- Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For the IBSA World Goalball Games it mentions what teams they beat and they finished second in their pool. Were any of the wins considered upsets or were particularly notable? I think it would read better if instead simply stated While Australia finished second in its pool, they finished the tournament in sixth place following a loss to Israel.
- Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The player stats are all from the final game against Sweden, is there a particulate reason for that? Since the Paralympics are the big event shouldn't the player totals from the whole tournament and not just one game?
- I've omitted it from the lead. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:35, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Background

"Going into the competitions for qualifying for the London 2012 Summer Paralympics, the Australian Paralympic Committee was thinking ahead, that they would qualify for the 2016 Summer Paralympics." This statement is odd to me, what is the barring on this team of them looking forward to qualifying in 2016? Were younger more inexperienced players chosen with the expectation they would be able to represent Australia in 2016 and 2012 would give them valuable experience? It seems to just be sitting out there by itself.
- Yes. Re-worded to make this clearer. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~capped should be linked to Cap (sport), I don't know if its a common term world wide, but its not commonly used in North America.~~
- It is, and is definbitely used in Canada, but why not link it anyway? Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it just not a US thing or used by media types because I had never heard that expression until reading Wikipedia. Regardless thanks for linking.

2011 IBSA Goalball World Games

"Australia's first attempt to qualify for the London Paralympics came at the 2011 IBSA Goalball World Games, held in Turkey in April." The use of the word "in" so close together at the end of the sentence feels a little awkward to me. Personally I would move April to the middle of the sentence ...to qualify for the London Paralympics came in April at the 2011...
Not a big deal, but if the tournament was held in one city in Turkey I would mention that and link it. If it were multiple cities I would still link Turkey, but that's probably just be personal preference. Same with Sydney in the next section.
- Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is kind of for all of the tournament sections. Were any of their wins/losses upsets or otherwise particularly notable, like something odd happening during the competition? Right now they are just sort of a list of scores. It wouldn't hurt to break up some of the "the following day they won/lost" sentences, particularly in this section. But, if nothing of note happened than there is nothing to add.
- As of now^[update], there is nothing more to say, but if I find something I'll add it. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough kind of figured that that would be the case, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

2011 IBSA Africa-Oceania Goalball Regional Championships

There is no link to this tournament so I am unsure why they only needed to play two games and how they were both against New Zealand. If they defeated New Zealand in a semi-final how did they rematch in the final? Some explanation here would be beneficial.
- Australia and New Zealand were the only countries competing in the women's event. Made this clear. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The Australian women played New Zealand again in the final, beating them again 6–2, with Christensen scoring three goals, Esdaile scoring two and Taylor scoring one." The repetition of the word "again" is awkward in this sentence. I would remove one of them maybe something like: "The Australian women re-matched New Zealand in the final, beating them again 6–2..." or "The Australian women played New Zealand again in the final, defeating them a second time 6–2..."
- Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Paralympics

The first sentence just begins with "Their pool included..." it does not introduce where they are. Obviously by the section header it is know that it is the Paralympics, but the prose should probably state that. Something like At the 2012 Summer Paralympics they were place in a pool which included...
- Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think I would combined the notes about the US and China being reining medalist from 2008. Something like ...with the United States and China as the reining gold and silver medalist respectively from the 2008...
- Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity was there any notable reaction to their Paralympics performance? Such as fall out/criticism for finishing last or praise for qualifying since the previously two attempts fell short?
- Everybody was in tears. Everybody expected London to be a dress rehearsal for Rio. Everybody expected that they would lose, but that it would be a vital and invaluable training and learning experience. Everybody, that is, but the players, who truly believed with all their hearts that they had a real chance. Which would have made a great Hollywood movie, but... everybody was right. They were in tears, inconsolable, and everybody felt so very sorry for them. We all tried out best to console them. I wished Tyan Taylor good luck in Rio. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If there is enough information out there it might be worth adding a sort of reception/legacy type of paragraph or section.

Everybody's been on holidays since the Paralympics, so we haven't got any hard news. The game plan remains unchanged. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, its something to think about if more information becomes available.

Feel free to debate or ask questions about anything I have posted here. Cheers --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 00:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My concerns have been taken care of. I'm going to pass this. Nice work. --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 04:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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