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More on O'Brien/Democrats needed

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I fleshed out this stub article with text moved from Mitt Romney. I realize that there's much more detail on his candidacy than on Shannon O'Brien's, so any help on the Democratic primary and the Democratic side during the general campaign would be greatly appreciated. YLee (talk) 04:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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James O'Keefe was linked to the page for James O'Keefe, which is not the right James O'Keefe. See bio for the Green Party James O'Keefe at http://www.massgreens.org/Elections/2006/guide.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.111.124 (talk) 08:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The consensus regarding the election infobox is that a candidate needs to have obtained at least 5% of the electorate to be included (See Talk:United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010, Talk:Massachusetts gubernatorial election, 2010). Jill Stein and other candidates who failed to reach the 5% mark should not be included in the infobox. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jill Stein played a major role in the 2002 gubernatorial election and was included in most of the debates. It is intellectually dishonest and dishonest to the sources provided in the article to state that Stein did not play a major role and thus should be included in the infobox.--TM 02:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what sources you are talking about. I couldn't find any in the article that say she played a major role in the election nor could I find any outside of the article. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 03:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a source about her winning a major debate and her role in the election. Here is another one.--TM 03:31, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Winning one debate does not mean she played a major role in the election. Most of the sources I have found describe her as a minor candidate ([1] [2] [3] [4] [http://www.thebostonchannel.com/politics/1739291/detail.html). --Hirolovesswords (talk) 04:32, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This should be a well-discussed topic somewhere else. Can you please find a Wikipedia standard to determine inclusion in an infobox? If there isn't one, please try to develop a consensus elsewhere and bring it back here.—GoldRingChip 11:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus reached at Talk:United States Senate special election in Massachusetts, 2010 and Talk:Massachusetts gubernatorial election, 2010 is that a candidate needs to have obtained at least 5% of the electorate to be included included in the infobox. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 19:07, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a policy or even a wide ranging consensus. Jill Stein played a major role in the 2002 gubernatorial election (as noted in the articles I presented and many more I can find if you really need to be hit over the head with it). A final vote count is not indicative of an entire election. Did Ralph Nader have a major effect on the 2000 presidential campaign? Yes, but his vote totals were paltry compared to the Democrat and Republican campaigns. Informing the readers of this page that Stein ran a campaign that was important and noteworthy (which should be indicated in the infobox) is most important.--TM 19:38, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The 5% rule is a wide ranging consensus (see Talk:United States presidential election, 2008/Archive 6, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums, Talk:United States Senate election in Illinois, 2010, and Talk:Michigan gubernatorial election, 2010, Talk:United States presidential election, 2000). If you want to inform the readers of this page about Stein's campaign, I think that adding text to the article would be more effective than going against consensus and placing her in the infoxbox. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 21:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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