Talk:1990 Football League Second Division play-off final/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 18:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
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It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
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Lede

This was the first season that the play-off final was determined in a single match at Wembley. - probably worth mentioning it was previously a two-legged match, rather than a single match held elsewhere. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is covered in more detail in the main body. I don't think it's super-important for the lead. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think all I am suggesting is to the omit the bit about Wembley, as that isn't what you are talking about (IE, that this was the first single match final). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:15, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski It was also the first play-off final at Wembley though? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I get that. I think it should read "This was the first season that the play-off final was determined over a single match and the first to be held at Wembley", unless this isn't true? This is quite a minor point, so happy to promote anyway. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:44, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I'll word it that way. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:04, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is the referee non-notable? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, there's a purge on referee articles right now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Swindon Town were later demoted two divisions after being found guilty of financial irregularities which resulted in Sunderland gaining promotion. On appeal, Swindon's punishment was reduced to immediate relegation back to the Second Division. - this should really be a bigger point. Although Sunderland lost the match, they were promoted. Quite a big thing! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is the lead, what else would you expect to see here other than a summary of the pertinent facts of the matter? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General

regular 1990–91 season - never been a fan of this wording. Makes it sound like the playoffs is irregular. how about "91 league season"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your concern but this is to distinguish between the regular league season and the play-off aspect of the league season. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wembley (Stadium) isn't linked outside of lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Linked. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Match should probably have the bit about when/where in the background bit. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The when and where is "The match kicked off at 3 p.m. in sunny conditions on 28 May 1990 in front of a Wembley crowd of 72,873" at the start of the match section. It's in there to ensure we don't have a tiny sentence at the start of the match section. And it makes the match report section completely standalone/comprehensive. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All three referees called John? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He added "Right - caps. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Start of the sentence, so I've added a colon preceding it, which does the trick. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Swindon ended their following season in 21st place in the Second Division, two points above the relegation zone.[35][36] Sunderland were relegated back to the Second Division by the end of the next season, finishing in 19th place.[37][38]

[39] - something wrong with the formatting here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski cheers, all addressed/responded to above. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]