Talk:1973 Gitchie Manitou murders

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Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as an attack or a negative unsourced biography of a living person, because... (your reason here)

This page is extremely well sourced, and involves a murder that occurred in 1973. The perpetrators have been serving life sentences since 1974. I teach a high school class in local history, and we use wikipedia (Nobles County, Minnesota) pages accessed by Ipad as our primary text. I would like this information available. Ray Lowry 14:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Consider the initial state of the article - it seemed to call out living persons for being murderers, and did not (initially!) have any sources or content to speak of. Now that it's a sourced article, it's fine. I don't like the name, though - is there a better one? 1973 Gitchie Manitou Murders, perhaps? I can't access the sources, how was the crime referred to at the time? I also see that you've added this information to Gitchie Manitou State Preserve - and there's little sense in having it in both places. If it stays there, then it's likely that this article should be deleted to avoid duplication (perhaps with a redirect). UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 14:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the information was already on the Gitchie Manitou State Preserve page. I added all the source citations so it is clear the info is legit and will not be deleted by some future editor. I made a specific page about the murders because I thought some future editor would find it odd that 95% of the info on the Gitchie Manitou State Preserve page referenced some obscure murder occurring in 1973, rather than the State Preserve itself. It probably makes more sense to delete much of the information from the Gitchie Manitou State Preserve with a redirect there. I have no problem naming the article 1973 Gitchie Manitou Murders, but I'm not sure I know how to rename a Wikipedia page. Ray Lowry 15:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Done. I've also removed the material from the state preserve page and added in its place a See Also link. That will send readers who want the murders here, and leave those who want to look up the preserve to do so without a multiple-homicide. It also means that you don't have to update the article here and the one there - everything is in one place. Let me know if there's anything I missed. Thanks! UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 18:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fargo

I recommend adding a section relating to how Fargo Season Two ^[1] used this information, even as a side note. It bent the facts very clearly, but it seems the artist's did their homework.

78.18.122.74 (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2016 (UTC) dvxl[reply]

Watched the entire season of Fargo hoping thses murders would show up. Alas, the "Sioux Falls Incident" mentioned in several episodes was clearly NOT based upon the Gitchie Manitou Murders. It would certainly make a good basis for another season of the show.

Ray Lowry Ray Lowry 22:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

References

^ http://theweek.com/articles/592722/fargo-history-true-crime-midwest

Newspaper archive changes

I notice that with several edits, user Ray.lowry removed links to an on-line archives for several newspaper stories because the "On-line newspaper link used when this page was created is no longer active". In this case, it looks like the URL link has changed for privacy and/or commercial reasons. However, that particular newspaper archive is not the only on-line source of these newspaper stories. There are other archive websites available such as cedarrapids.advantage-preservation.com and siouxcounty.advantage-preservation.com. Searching for the newspaper title will often reveal a general search page that can be used to find the individual newspaper pages or even the stories in those pages. This is why citations should include as much detail as possible, including the headline title of the article as well as issue dates and page numbers. As a last resort, the Wayback Machine can also be used to recover an archive of on-line sources that have previously existed. It is generally a good idea to snapshot these citations using the Wayback Machine, and then include those archive links in the citations, so if a link is no longer usable, there is an archived version available. In some newspaper archives it may also be possible to subscribe to a service that might allow users to clip stories to preserve them and share the individual stories with others, perhaps even non-subscribers. However, a freely accessible archive is generally preferable. Often, local libraries have on-line holding of their local newspapers. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a start on finding on-line versions of the newspaper citations for this article. While I have found the given citations for both the Cedar Rapids Gazette and the Spirit Lake Beacon, there does appear to be more information available that could be found by searching these publications via their archive websites. The text of these papers do not appear to be available directly, so may not show up in normal searches. However, I have also encountered some issues with accessing versions of the Sioux Center News and Sioux County Index, meaning I have not updated those citations, yet. Perhaps others can follow up and improve on other citation by using my examples as a starting point. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 04:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://theweek.com/articles/592722/fargo-history-true-crime-midwest

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