Talk:1937 World Snooker Championship

1937 World Snooker Championship has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: October 28, 2021. (Reviewed version).

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1937 World Snooker Championship/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 16:18, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Lede

eleventh - MOS:NUM suggests we should be consistent, and we use numbers in this sentence elsewhere. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the bit about the participants and debutants could go in the first para, and have the second para be the results of the tournament. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There were nine participants. Championship debutants Bill Withers and Fred Davis, the younger brother of Joe Davis, played a qualifying match in January 1937, which Withers won to progress to the main event. - how about There were nine participants at the event, with debutants Fred Davis (brother of Joe) and Bill Withers competing in a qualifying match. Withers won the match to participate with the remaining seven players. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. I tweaked your proposed wording slightly, mainly because Joe Davis hasn't appeared in the text yet. (Not sure if the change hs introduced plus-ing, but I've not seen that as an issue for a GA nominee). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:48, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General

I know there are some issues with images from this era, but maybe File:World Snooker Championship Trophy edited.jpg could work for the background section? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like opening the summary section with the amount of frames required to win would be suitable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added this at the end of the first para. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

link for safety play Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added cuegloss link. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

rown took the first evening frame, but Sidney Smith - full name? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Davis managed to level the score with just the blacks left. - typo on black? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Withers, however, {doubled the black to win the frame - typo. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

is 30-1 the biggest winning margin in snooker? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1952 World Snooker Championship is the largest margin I can think of (94–49). 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

was a repeat of the 1936 final - "previous year's". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Billiards and Snooker magazine's commentary on the tournament stated that the standard of play was higher than in any of the preceding championships. Praising Joe Davis, the article suggested that "It may be doubted if any game was so completely, so perfectly interpreted as is snooker by Davis. - worth mentioning the author William Clifford? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's no byline on the article. Clifford was both editor and publisher before the magazine was taken over by the BACC but I don't think we can assume that he wrote that article. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We do, however, cite him in the reference. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As publisher, though. I've added an author parameter per "To cite a news article with no credited author" at Template:Cite news, but I don't think that affects how the reference displays to a reader. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like the schedule should be part of the draw section. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Combined. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:18, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Apologies for the delay, reviewing this now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:04, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Many thanks, Lee Vilenski. I've amended the article and replied to the points above. Let me know about anything else that is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]