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Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 18:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Hi, I will start this review shortly.[reply]

Please note that I put a request on the talk page that the article needs updating but there has been no response. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. I've been looking for reliable sources for it (a blog says it won only one award) but they have yet to be forthcoming. I did not watch the presentation myself, sadly. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Review notes

This is a very interesting film. I have a few comments below. All in all I see no great problems. I'm really impressed that the sources are archived!
I did some copy editing and feel free to change anything you don't agree with.

The plot section was very hard to understand and I think it could be expanded just a little for clarity. It was difficult to keep track of who was who. I think a "Cast" section would be helpful for the reader to be able to refer to.

I'm waiting for the DVD to come out for that. It's not in theatres anymore. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why are only some of the religions linked?

Done Linked all.

"since she converted" - from what

Done - From Islam. I thought it was implied as her son was Muslim, but no harm in making it clearer.

Why is Abi ostracized?

Done - Because the neighbours disapprove of his mother.

"he dies when suicide bombing a church when Menuk rejects him." - don't understand this.

Done

For a person not completely familiar with the relationships among the three religions mentioned, some links or brief explanations would help.

Like a background section?

Production

Is there any information about the writing of the screenplay?

None has been forthcoming online from what I can see. I've been dying to get the DVD if / when it comes out for more background information.

Any information about casting choices, where filmed and other production issues?
"Its release coincided with a contest sponsored by a local cellular provider to give the best name to the events shown in the film." - I'm not sure what giving "the best name to the events shown in the film" means. What were the results?

"Accolades"

Is "Accolades" the best title for this section?

Done Changed to awards

"As of October 2011^[update], ? is slated to compete in the 2011" - this needs updating, as the results were to be announced November 27.

Done

"Controversy"

"The youth group Banser, part of NU" - what is NU? What is Banser besides a youth group - what kind of youth group?

Partially done. (NU) added after the first use of Nahdlatul Ulama

Please feel free to contact me and/or ask questions and provide feedback.

MathewTownsend (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some of the basics. I will work on a characters section asap. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A few more

I don't mean a "background" section on religion, just a little more explanation of how religion and society interact there.

e.g. why is Abi ostracized? Isn't being Muslim ok there? Or is it because of his mother being Catholic?
Also, when Hendra decides the restaurant will serve exclusively pork, no more is said on that issue. Didn't that have some effects?
Surya receives an offer from Rika to play the role of Jesus at her church's Christmas pageant, which he accepts for a high fee after hesitating - does he hesitate because he'll be playing a Christian role? And the "high fee", what is the significance of that? (He's a "ne'er-do-well Muslim actor", so does getting this job make him ok?)

Other things

Hendra comes into conflict with Soleh over Menuk, as Hendra had previously dated her. Menuk becomes increasingly depressed after Soleh tells her that he plans to divorce her. - (but then) - Eventually, Soleh joins the Islamic group Nahdlatul Ulama, enabling him to feel more confident; however, after Menuk refuses to take him back ... (I thought he was the one who wanted to divorce her. Did he want the divorce because he lacked self confidence?)

However, its becoming clearer. Your edits helped! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:28, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I've got most of those down. I'm still going to work on getting a character section in there. Where do you think the religious information should be worked in? I'll also probably give a sentence or two about discrimination against Chinese Indonesians. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - I think just a little more explanation in the plot. Nothing elaborate - just the things I mentioned. Since religious conflict drives the plot, it would help if were clear how it does. I know about the three major religions mentioned, but I don't know how they interact in Indonesia. That's all. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Background has been added. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a little too much background. How about:

"? focuses interfaith relations in Indonesia where interfaith conflicts are common and there is a long history of violence and discrimination against Chinese Indonesians."

Otherwise, it gets a little off topic. Let the plot tell the story. MathewTownsend (talk) 02:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Trimmed. Anything else? Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few changes but feel free to correct. It's all fine. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
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B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
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B. Focused:
Does it follow the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
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Awesome, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]