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Mistakes

There are some mistakes in this map regarding description "official Slavic language used by a minority" for the territory of Serbia:

• 1. Population of Sandžak region is entirely Slavic in both, Serbia and Montenegro, so the official Slavic language is used by majority of population. (see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Census_2002_Serbia,_ethnic_map_(by_municipalities).png )
• 2. In Timočka Krajina (eastern Serbia) official Slavic language is also used by majority of population with some pockets of Vlach language. (see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Census_2002_Serbia,_ethnic_map_(by_municipalities).png )
• 3. In north Vojvodina, much of the population do not use official language, but there are two pockets of territory (Subotica and Novi Kneževac) where official Slavic language is used by majority of population. (see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vojvodina_languages2002.png )

So, would you be so kind to correct these mistakes in your map? Thank you. PANONIAN 22:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Fixed! Thanks for letting me know! Scooter20 (talk) 23:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it is much better, but I would still suggest correction in Subotica municipality area - this municipality is ethnically mixed with no single ethnic group counting more than 50% of population, but the language is different issue: according to 2002 census, 46.60% of citizens of Subotica municipality declared Serbian language, 38.82% declared Hungarian and 5.93% declared Croatian. Since Serbian and Croatian are basically just two names for one same language, we might conclude that an absolute majority of citizens of Subotica municipality (52.53%) speak official Slavic language of the country. PANONIAN 14:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

And some other parts of the map could be also corrected:

• there is one Slavic-language eclave in southern Kosovo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kosovo_ethnic_2005.png
• Slovenian language area extends to some parts of Austria and Italy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slovenian_language_map.png
• Ethnic Sorbs in Germany should be also marked as Slavic speakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Germany_sorbian_region.png
• there is an large Polish-speaking area in Lithuania: http://www.balticdata.info/maps/Lithuania/images/041_0203_ethnic_huge.jpg
• linguistic Russian area in Latvia and Kazakhstan is little different: http://map.primorye.ru/raster/maps/commonwealth/russians_ethnic_94.jpg
• and linguistic areas in Russia are also little different: http://map.primorye.ru/raster/maps/commonwealth/ussr_ethnic_1974.jpg and http://www.colorado.edu/ibs/waroutcomes/pics/ethnicMap.jpg (for example, I would not count Ossetians, Adyges, Mordvins, Mari people and Udmurts as Russian speakers). PANONIAN 14:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this solution could be used for Russia: http://www.languageandpeace.com/images/other/europe.gif PANONIAN 14:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Right, thanks for the suggestions. I'll make the necessary modifications when I'll have some free time.

Scooter20 (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I corrected the map concerning the Subotica municipality, Southern Kosovo, Slovenian language area, Sorb minority in Eastern Germany, Polish minority in Lithuania and Russian minority in Latvia.

When I'll have time I'll work on Russia and Kazakhstan.

ThanksScooter20 (talk) 23:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I've also made some updates on Kazakhstan and Russia.

Scooter20 (talk) 23:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

There is an mistake in Bulgaria. You have marked Vidin and Smolyan province as being only minority Slavic, when in fact the Bulgarian speakers there are over 90% of the population: [1]. Kostja (talk) 14:01, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Kostja's arguments are valid, the Vlach population in Vidin Province is a minority. Also, the area in the Rhodopes (south central Bulgaria) marked as minority-Slavic-speaking is way too big. Turkish is the dominant language only in the eastern Rhodopes (Kardzhali Province, in Smolyan Province the Muslim majority consists of Muslim Bulgarians, who are naturally Slavic-speaking.

Another point: if historical Slavic language use is to be displayed correctly, a much larger area of northern Greece should be marked, as well as a large part of European Turkey. It seems weird to mark Banat Bulgarians and Krashovans so precisely, but to leave out the historically much more significant Bulgarian groups in modern Greek Macedonia, Western and Eastern (Turkish) Thrace. Todor→Bozhinov 17:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I understand your concerns!

This map was removed by other Wikipedia editors from the articles where it was intended to reside (such as Slavic people, Slavic Europe etc) and resides solely on my userpage.

I just don't see what is the point in improving it, since it isn't used anymore.

Anyways, I changed Vidin and Southen Bulgaria accordingly.

Cheers! Scooter20 (talk) 21:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! It would be good if the map was improved enough so it could be included in the relevant articles, which really need a more detailed map. I hope that I helped by providing you this source. Kostja (talk) 22:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome!

The problem with the map is that I found outdated sources (ethnic maps) for some areas like Russia and recent sources for some areas like Serbia or Romania.

In order for this map to meet the standard needed to be included on the relevant articles I would need fairly recent and accurate sources (ethnic maps) for every country that has a Slavic speaking majority or a significant Slavic speaking minority so that I could update the map.

Cheers! Scooter20 (talk) 08:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Historical use in Kosovo

Shouldn't we color Kosovo based on the historical use?92.55.106.58 (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)