File talk:Pents13.jpg

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Image:Pents13.jpg (history · last edit) is claimed to be first published 1909, but contains the text "(c) 1971 US Games" in the lower right corner. See User_talk:Smiloid#Speedy_deletions. All the images in the article Minor Arcana seem to have this problem. I have not tagged the images.-gadfium 22:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The US Games copyright is invalid. See Rider-Waite-Smith_deck. Nardman1 22:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Should we add a note to each image page to explain that? As I dig, I find evidence that this issue has been raised before. See for example User_talk:Fuzzypeg#Tarot_Cards. Should we use images which contain their copyright claim? I see the images on the Rider-Waite-Smith_deck page do not contain this claim.-gadfium 22:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - How many such images are there? It might be useful to create a template if there are many. Nardman1 23:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - There are 56 cards. I've sampled half a dozen of them, and all contain the copyright claim.-gadfium 00:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'll create a template. Nardman1 00:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be sure, the 1909 Rider Tarot would be PD in the States. However is the deck bearing the 1971 copyright notices the same as the 1909 version? It is my understanding that the plates used to create the original 1909 version were destroyed during the Second World War and what US Games has been selling since 1971 is a reconstruction which would be copyrighted.Smiloid 07:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The two decks are the same. A recreation would not be copyrightable unless it contained new creative content -- and if so, it would not really be the Rider-Waite. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]