File talk:Khalid-Saeed.jpg

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this photo was taken by a family member. No permission is granted for its use, which is a copyright infringement. USchick (talk) 23:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review#File:Khalid-Saeed.jpg Chzz ► 02:14, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion is detailed and ongoing there. I recommend we leave the image alone while that happens. The image has already been removed from the article, and having another deletion discussion at this page will just fracture efforts to address points to multiple places.

Very briefly, on the merits, multiple RS trace the photo back to Saeed's brother, who took the photo at the Egyptian morgue where his brother's autopsy was performed. Saeeds' cousin uploaded the photo to the internet. The entire family was vigorously involved in activism promoting the crime against Saeed. Although we do not yet have explicit permission from Saeed's family I believe no such permission is required under Fair Use exemptions. As long as the image was spread by the family, and then picked up by bloggers and media, we can use it as a press agency photo which is the subject of commentary at a Wikipedia article, and an image of great historical importance in its own right.

There was some prior confusion about NFCC copyright tags requiring explicit permission from the original copyright holder for each use on Wikipedia. To my understanding, this is incorrect, and policy only requires the NFCC copyright tag itself be unique for each use of the image on Wikipedia.

Debate about whether the image could be replaced by text and whether it is shocking, exploitative, or otherwise editorially unwise to include should happen at the article talk page and not here. Ocaasi (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please read our article on fair use — among other things, it is possible for usage to be fair without permission from the copyright holder, so your arguments lack a basis in the law. Nyttend (talk) 11:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Nyttend, was that directed at me or USchick? I have argued that using the image is within Fair Use law and our NFCC guidelines. Ocaasi (talk)

Media use is disputed. USchick (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Minimum criteria has not been met under Wikipedia:Image use policy USchick (talk) 19:56, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]