File talk:Flag of Eswatini.svg
Current flag of Eswatini
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Reverted to version as of 18:43, 9 September 2019 (UTC) The gray tassels do not correspond to the current representation on the official website of the government of Eswatini: <http://www.gov.sz> Also, FOTW and Vexilla Mundi are not reputable sources. See also commons:File talk:Flag of Eswatini.svg#Current flag of Eswatini--Bestoernesto (talk) 20:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
The current flag listed is entirely incorrect
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https://www.gov.sz/ The official site of the Swazi government shows it with much brighter colours. It appears someone attempted to correct this a year ago, but was refused. 31.205.21.226 (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Were the feather tassels ever officially changed in the first place?
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Is there any legislation or royal decree stating an official change of design in 2011? If this change was made solely on the basis that the government website started using a version that differs from the past blue feathered version, then this does not seem like an official change in my eyes. Could someone provide a real government source that says the flag was officially changed in 2011? Feitidede (talk) 14:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Even the official website uses the old blue feathered flag on it's homepage https://www.gov.sz/ Feitidede (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k_JwLrkPb_zREFfb1mCZG9nQlfwxaEWj/view This is the best source I've come across but it contradicts itself. It says the feather's colours were changed to black in 2011 but it depicts the old flag with a lighter shade of blue as the official flag. Feitidede (talk) 14:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is the official flag of Eswatini according to their corporate identity manual: https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/SE75AOYX Feitidede (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- However in this live coverage of a very recent visit of the King of eSwatini to Rwanda, you can clearly see in the 38:38 mark that the official flag being used is still the one with the blue feathers and darker blue tone. Although the corporate identity manual claims the flag changed in 2011 and uses a lighter tone, it does not count as an official source because it is not a legislation, only a manual. I believe the official flag should be reverted to the one with blue feathers and the version with the black feathers should be a "Alternate Version adopted in 2011". Meanwhile, the lighter blue version should also count as a "Alternate Version with lighter blue". And the current alternate version with white spears and black feathers should become an "Alternate Version on the Government Website". Feitidede (talk) 15:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Whitney Smith, the coiner of Vexillology himself, depicts the dark tassel flag on a source he wrote for Britannica
- FOTW also mentions the following: "The official government website shows that the eSwati flag changed in 2011 with a drawing that differs from the independence flag in that the tassles are now being shown in grey in a realistic feather rendition, rather than the stylised blue larger tassles that were shown before. The spears and staff have also changed to white and a natural representation. The shade of blue is now definitely a pale blue."
- I do believe that at some point circa 2011 that a change occurred, the feathers on the tassels where likely changed to black to be realistic and not blue with red spots like variants do. however the rendition used by the government online is slightly botched as they simply photoshopped realistic images of tassels onto a flag image and called it a day. Vexilla-Mundi shows the blue tassel flag as pre-2011
- If there is no proper specification sheet for the flag it can be assumed the blue, black and gray tassels all can be used in official capacity, the only specifications online are ones drafted by standalone vexillologists and are their personal suggestions. BlinxTheKitty (talk) 08:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- The seems to be the most likely scenario. There was never a constitutional change to the flag, rather a new version started being used on the government website circa 2011. This led to other sources attempting to push the idea that this new version was the only acceptable version, when in reality, this was simply an alternative version that is just as official as the independence flag. This interpretation of the flag was so widespread even the government's identity manual cites it.
- All these different versions of the flag of esWatini are officially used until proven otherwise by an actively enforced law that dictates what the flag looks like. Feitidede (talk) 20:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- However in this live coverage of a very recent visit of the King of eSwatini to Rwanda, you can clearly see in the 38:38 mark that the official flag being used is still the one with the blue feathers and darker blue tone. Although the corporate identity manual claims the flag changed in 2011 and uses a lighter tone, it does not count as an official source because it is not a legislation, only a manual. I believe the official flag should be reverted to the one with blue feathers and the version with the black feathers should be a "Alternate Version adopted in 2011". Meanwhile, the lighter blue version should also count as a "Alternate Version with lighter blue". And the current alternate version with white spears and black feathers should become an "Alternate Version on the Government Website". Feitidede (talk) 15:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is the official flag of Eswatini according to their corporate identity manual: https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/SE75AOYX Feitidede (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k_JwLrkPb_zREFfb1mCZG9nQlfwxaEWj/view This is the best source I've come across but it contradicts itself. It says the feather's colours were changed to black in 2011 but it depicts the old flag with a lighter shade of blue as the official flag. Feitidede (talk) 14:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
