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Conflicting maps from anti-Kiev and pro-Kiev sides

Anti-Kiev map, July 28
Pro-Kiev map, July 28 (archived here, in case it changes)

The current Wikipedia map is much closer to the pro-Kiev map. Esn (talk) 18:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Marynivka/Marinovka?

It seems to me that Marynivka (located just west of Dmytrivka) should be included in the map, since it is constantly mentioned in news reports as being an important battleground. Esn (talk) 18:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC) According to liveuamap (a hardline pro-Kiev source) militants regained control of Marinka and Krasnohorivka. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O Grego (talk • contribs) 18:07, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Identity of liveuamap.com

LiveUAmap.com has been frequently used as a source by the editors of this map.

Domain Name: LIVEUAMAP.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1847269271_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Update Date: 2014-02-19 12:41:26
Creation Date: 2014-02-19 12:41:26
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-02-19 12:41:26
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse[]godaddy.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.480-624-2505
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited

NetRange: 104.16.0.0 - 104.31.255.255
CIDR: 104.16.0.0/12
OriginAS: AS13335
NetName: CLOUDFLARENET
NetHandle: NET-104-16-0-0-1
Parent: NET-104-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
Comment: https://www.cloudflare.com
RegDate: 2014-03-28
Updated: 2014-03-28
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-104-16-0-0-1

OrgName: CloudFlare, Inc.
OrgId: CLOUD14
Address: 665 Third Street #207
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94107
Country: US
RegDate: 2010-07-09
Updated: 2013-01-04
Comment: http://www.cloudflare.com/
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/CLOUD14

Domain name registered with the American registrar GoDaddy on February 19 (shortly after Maidan, but long before the military conflict started in April). IP address points at CloudFlare, also an American company.

On its website, it claims to be a "nonprofit, volunteer-run project of civic journalism. Our mission is to tell about crisis in Ukraine all over the world. We gather information from open sources and put it on the map in format of Reds-vs-Blues conflict." By "open sources", it seems to mean pro-Kiev sources only.

It does not claim anywhere that it is based in Ukraine. The existing connections point to it being based and run out of the US. The name being registered so long before any military conflict actually broke out is rather suspicious.

In short, it is very unlikely that this is an independent source.

Esn (talk) 22:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right. So what's the solution? Is having a six day old (as of talking, 11 of August) map better? Where are the independent sources that present better maps? I reckon the maps at mediarnbo.org ([1]) is no solution to the problem, as these are controlled by the Ukrainian government… Many thanks for better updates.--Paracel63 (talk) 16:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]