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Fair use rationales
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The image shows Dame Rosanna Wong receives damehood from Governor Chris Patten. It was a very rare occasion as she is the second ethnic Chinese woman to have received a British damehood to date. There is no copyright free alternative to replace the image. The image greatly enhances the value and richness of the article by capturing such unique moment in history. More rationales have already been provided at the image description page. --Clithering (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Clithering (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
- The reader does not need to see a non-free image of her receiving her damehood to understand that she did receive one. Such information can be more than sufficiently understood through text and citation to a reliable source. Moreover, she's still living so such an image cannot be used for primary indentification purposes in the main infobox, and there's no real reason that a freely licensed image cannot be created or found to serve the purpose of indentifying her. The only real way that this image can probably be kept is if it was itself the subject of sourced critical commentary in reliable sources. Otherwise, it's simply a photo showing Patten giving her an award that omitting would not be detrimental to the reader's understanding of the article in any way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:26, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
- Can you suggest any situations when text and citation to a reliable source are insufficient to understand a piece of information and the use of non-free image is necessary?-Clithering (talk) 00:52, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- Since both Patten and Wong are still living, the image cannot be used to identify either in a general sense per WP:NFCC#1 unless it there's no reasonable possibilty to expect that a freely licensed equivalent cannot be created or found to serve that encyclopedic purpose. Moreover, non-free content just used to enhance the the richness of an article is almost always non-free content being used in a decorative manner, and saying an image is "historic" typically requires establishing that it is the image itself and not the event being portrayed which is historic. Has this particular image itself been the subject of critical commentary in reliable sources? If so, then such content and supporting citations could be added to the article to help justify its non-free use. There has to be something more to the image that simply showing two people facing each other with one person receiving an honor from the other. Seeing this particular image needs to improve the reader's understanding of an article to a significant degree so that not seeing it would be detrimental to that understanding. How does this image do that? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:19, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- I think it's a matter of perspective. More people should join this discussion in order to reach a consensus. --15:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- You can add a start a discussion at WP:FFD if you like, or you can ask for opinions at WT:NFCC by placing a Template:Please see there. For anyone whose interested the file can still be seen used as zh:File:Dame_Rosanna_Wong_Yick-ming.jpg in zh:王䓪鳴 on Chinese Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:34, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- I think it's a matter of perspective. More people should join this discussion in order to reach a consensus. --15:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- Since both Patten and Wong are still living, the image cannot be used to identify either in a general sense per WP:NFCC#1 unless it there's no reasonable possibilty to expect that a freely licensed equivalent cannot be created or found to serve that encyclopedic purpose. Moreover, non-free content just used to enhance the the richness of an article is almost always non-free content being used in a decorative manner, and saying an image is "historic" typically requires establishing that it is the image itself and not the event being portrayed which is historic. Has this particular image itself been the subject of critical commentary in reliable sources? If so, then such content and supporting citations could be added to the article to help justify its non-free use. There has to be something more to the image that simply showing two people facing each other with one person receiving an honor from the other. Seeing this particular image needs to improve the reader's understanding of an article to a significant degree so that not seeing it would be detrimental to that understanding. How does this image do that? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:19, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- Can you suggest any situations when text and citation to a reliable source are insufficient to understand a piece of information and the use of non-free image is necessary?-Clithering (talk) 00:52, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
