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Non-free usage in Arab and Druze Scouts Movement

The non-free use rationale provided for the file states that it is being used in the infobox of Arab and Druze Scouts Movement as the primary means of identification. This is not the case at all, however. The file is being used in Arab and Druze Scouts Movement#Member organizations in a bullet-list with other non-free logos. This type of usage in for individual entries in lists in generally not allowed per WP:NFLISTS because it tends to be decorative and not satisfy WP:NFCC#8. I could see the image being used in the infobox of a stand-alone article about the Catholic Scout Association in Israel if such an article existed, but not in this particular article since there is no sourced discussion of the logo itself which means omitting it is not really going to be detrimental to the reader's understanding. Another problem is that none of the sourcing information required by WP:NFCC#10a is provided for copyright verification. Is it possible that this patch is old enough qualify for PD or there is something Israeli law which treats such things as PD? It's hard to verify any of this without knowing more about the source of the image itself other than "The logo may be obtained from Catholic Scout Association in Israel.", which is the default text added when no source information is provided by the person adding the non-free use rationale. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to remove the excessive usage of non-free images on the Arab and Druze Scouts Movement page however User:Kintetsubuffalo has reverted my attempts twice so i didn't wan't to push it. I agree they are in violation of the fair use rules and should be removed. Once removed from the Arab and Druze Scouts Movement page, the File:Druze Scout Association.png will only have a single usage over at its main page Druze Scouts Association and so should qualify for minimal usage. The other two image (File:Israel Greek Orthodox Scouts Association.svg, File:Catholic Scout Association in Israel.png) should be deleted. Salavat (talk) 03:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Salavat. I replied to your post at File talk:Israel Greek Orthodox Scouts Association.svg#Non-free usage in Arab and Druze Scouts Movement and basically the same applies here, so please check there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. One use of an image throughout Wikipedia is in no way "excessive use". These religio-ethnic organizations are so small they may never have their own Wikipedia article, but they are worthwhile topics nonetheless. Let's come up with a better solution. Their addition can be argued to be compliant, and I argue thus.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:09, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Catholic Scout Association in Israel may be a worthwhile topic and perhaps someday an article or stub will be created if WP:GNG (WP:ORG) can be met, but being a worthwhile topic is not really a justification for using a non-free image like this one is currently being used. This particular usage does not seem to comply with WP:NFCC because of WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#10a. Usage like this in individual entries of an embedded list is typically considered decorative because such images tend to be added more to be seen than as the subject of any sourced commentary about the image. That's pretty much been the standard applied for the usage of similar files in past NFCR/FFD discussions.

If the file was freely licensed, none of the above would really matter, and the file could then be used pretty much without any restrictions on Wikipedia other than WP:IUP. However, without knowing more specific information about the source (e.g., who created it and when, who holds the copyright, when it was first published, etc.), it's hard to verify it's copyright information per Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights. For example, Template:PD-Israel-Photo can be used with photos which satisfy certain conditions. There are also files such as File:Emblem of Israel.svg on Commons which are freely licensed. Maybe there's a clue buried somewhere in c:Category:Coats of arms of Israel as to how this file could possibly be freely licensed. Simply saying it "may be obtained from XYZ" is almost surely not going to be seen as enough by Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:08, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This image is used in the article Arab and Druze Scouts Movement, but this doesn't seem to be the logo of an entity called 'Arab and Druze Scouts Movement', so the logo fails WP:NFCC#8 in that article. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:30, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

redraw

@Egel: If you get time, would you consider redrawing this? Thanks--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done a quick clean up. Recoloured using the colours from http://www.csaii.org/images/logo.png --Egel _Reaction? 17:47, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Egel: It still looks grainy to me. Refreshed the browser-let me get on another computer...--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]