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Non-free images of living people are unacceptable if we can determine that geting a picture of the person can be reasonably expected. However, the man in this picture is currently imprisoned at a maximum security prison, so the chances of getting them are nearly impossible. If fair-use rationale is provided, along with WP:MUG-Template:Ir-Mugshot, and a low resolution image, it is acceptable. ComputerJA (talk) 09:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- This person is alive, and it is reasonable that a free image can either be created or released, being in prison is not a bar to that. LightGreenApple talk to me 20:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
- No, it is not reasonable. I will be quoting what Stefan2, who responded to one of my questions about these kinds of pictures on his talkpage: "I would assume that the only way of meeting the guy would be to commit some very serious crime yourself and then have the "luck" of being imprisoned at the same prison, but even then, you would not be allowed to bring a camera to take a photo of him, or access the Internet to upload a photo of the man. Assuming that the claim about his imprisonment is correct, I would assume that the photo is irreplaceable. It seems to fit the exception about imprisoned people." Make sure to also read WP:NFC#UUI §1 too. ComputerJA (talk) 17:37, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- Firstly bullet 1 of that list you link to says it is unacceptable to use non free images of people still alive, [...] provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image.
- Secondly taking a new picture is just one way of obtaining a free image, others include obtaining an existing picture released cc-by-sa from the persons lawyers, friends, family, business associates or colleagues.
- Just because a google images search fails to find one does not mean one does not exist or can be obtained. LightGreenApple talk to me 20:11, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- No, it is not reasonable. I will be quoting what Stefan2, who responded to one of my questions about these kinds of pictures on his talkpage: "I would assume that the only way of meeting the guy would be to commit some very serious crime yourself and then have the "luck" of being imprisoned at the same prison, but even then, you would not be allowed to bring a camera to take a photo of him, or access the Internet to upload a photo of the man. Assuming that the claim about his imprisonment is correct, I would assume that the photo is irreplaceable. It seems to fit the exception about imprisoned people." Make sure to also read WP:NFC#UUI §1 too. ComputerJA (talk) 17:37, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
