File:Twin tornadoes in Illinois on July 12, 2023.jpg

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This photograph was taken by Bob Waszak in the United States in 2023. He published it on his X feed,[1] and in the comments that follow, we can see the license terms that he agreed to with the NWS:

@NWSChicago: Hi Bob! Thanks for the reports and photos. Would we be able to feature this image on a post-event webpage with appropriate attribution? Thanks!

@nilwxreports: absolutely, everything is free for you to use. Thanks!

This is a rare case where we can see exactly what the photographer agreed to, and it wasn't putting the image in the public domain.

This image was uploaded to Commons on the basis that it was the work of a US federal government employee performing their duties, but no evidence was provided for this. There is no claim that this image is ineligible for copyright for any other reason.

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when the weather.gov general disclaimer says that material not in the public domain will be specifically noted, it means that it must be published with a formal copyright notice. Whereas in reality, not only has the NWS never promised any specific form of notation, there is ample evidence to demonstrate this is not their general practice. This belief also chooses to ignore the words elsewhere in the disclaimer that state that third party images are used by the NWS under license, and to contact the third-party creators for re-use.
the words of a NWS Sioux City regional office policy that placed some public submissions in the public domain somehow applied to this image, although there is nothing to connect it with that office. (The photo was published by the Rapid City office).

Without clearer evidence that Waszak intended to place this photo in the public domain, we need to delete this under COM:PRP.

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@NWSChicago: Hi Bob! Thanks for the reports and photos. Would we be able to feature this image on a post-event webpage with appropriate attribution? Thanks!

@nilwxreports: absolutely, everything is free for you to use. Thanks!

This is a rare case where we can see exactly what the photographer agreed to, and it wasn't putting the image in the public domain.

This image was uploaded to Commons on the basis that it was the work of a US federal government employee performing their duties, but no evidence was provided for this. There is no claim that this image is ineligible for copyright for any other reason.

As a photo taken in the United States after 1989, copyright came into being as soon as it was made.

The uploader later revised the rationale to keep the image under the rationales expressed in the {{PD-NWS}} template at the time; that

when the weather.gov general disclaimer says that material not in the public domain will be specifically noted, it means that it must be published with a formal copyright notice. Whereas in reality, not only has the NWS never promised any specific form of notation, there is ample evidence to demonstrate this is not their general practice. This belief also chooses to ignore the words elsewhere in the disclaimer that state that third party images are used by the NWS under license, and to contact the third-party creators for re-use.
the words of a NWS Sioux City regional office policy that placed some public submissions in the public domain somehow applied to this image, although there is nothing to connect it with that office. (The photo was published by the Rapid City office).

Without clearer evidence that Waszak intended to place this photo in the public domain, we need to delete this under COM:PRP.}} ~~~~

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Summary

Description	English: A photo of the Elgin (left) and Plato Township (right) twin tornadoes, which occurred on July 12, 2023.
Date	12 July 2023
Source	https://www.weather.gov/lot/2023_07_12_Tornadoes (Exact URL)
Author	Bob Waszak

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	Date/Time	Thumbnail	Dimensions	User	Comment
current	21:05, 14 July 2023		2,048 × 1,152 (262 KB)	WeatherWriter	Uploaded a work by Bob Waszak from https://www.weather.gov/lot/2023_07_12_Tornadoes ([https://www.weather.gov/images/lot/pastevents/2023/07_12/SouthElgin_BobWaszak.jpg Exact URL]) with UploadWizard

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File:Twin tornadoes in Illinois on July 12, 2023.jpg

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