Talk:Peru at the 2023 Pan American Games

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Orphaned references in Peru at the 2023 Pan American Games

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Peru at the 2023 Pan American Games's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "manual":

From United States at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Santiago 2023 Qualification Systems Manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Panam Sports. 11 September 2022. Retrieved 11 November 2022.
From Diving at the 2023 Pan American Games – Qualification: "Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Pan American Sports Organization. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 12 October 2022.
From Gymnastics at the 2023 Pan American Games – Qualification: "Santiago 2023 Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Panam Sports. 1 September 2022. Retrieved 12 May 2023.
From Archery at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Pan American Sports Organization. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 10 October 2022.
From Taekwondo at the 2023 Pan American Games – Qualification: "Taekwondo" (PDF). www.santiago2023.org/. Santiago 2023. Retrieved 4 November 2022.
From Tennis at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Tennis" (PDF). www.santiago2023.org/. Pan American Sports Organization. Retrieved 5 November 2022.
From Basque pelota at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Santiago 2023 Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Panam Sports. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 4 June 2022.
From Mexico at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Santiago 2023 Qualification Systems Manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Panam Sports. 11 September 2022. Retrieved 30 September 2022.
From Taekwondo at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Pan American Sports Organization. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 4 November 2022.
From Rowing at the 2023 Pan American Games – Qualification: "Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Pan American Sports Organization. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 5 November 2022.
From Fencing at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Pan American Sports Organization. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 4 June 2022.
From Cycling at the 2023 Pan American Games: "Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Pan American Sports Organization. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 27 October 2022.
From Judo at the 2023 Pan American Games – Qualification: "Santiago 2023 Qualification System manual" (PDF). www.panamsports.org/. Panam Sports. 11 April 2022. Retrieved 4 June 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:43, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of empty sections

I have again removed the empty sections and tables from this article about a future event. There is no reason to leave empty boilerplate formatting in the article; the tables can be restored when the event occurs and information becomes available to populate the tables. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have again removed the empty tables and sections from this article. There is no reason to include table frameworks in the article when they include no information at all. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Completely disagree, your edits are frankly disruptive. Please stop. An alternative is hiding the sections for now. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is objectively nothing disruptive about removing empty sections -- there's no content there. If you'd like to hide the boilerplate sections, feel free to do so -- but I think leaving commented-out copy-pasted formatting structuer in articles for a future event isn't a particularly good solution because it makes editing more difficult. A better solution exists and was identified in the recent AfD: using draft space. There, the incomplete articles can remain and be populated or updated as needed until they're referenced, formatted, populated, and ready for visibility in the site. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then feel free to move them to draft space. Completely happy and support that! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The existing articles do have some content, which is why I preferred to leave that content visible and remove only the empty sections. We can try it your way: so far, I've draftified the articles for Peru and T&T. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You've again reverted changes, again re-introducing referencing errors to the article. I've fixed them, again. Or is there some reason that you believe the article must use undefined references? -- Mikeblas (talk) 20:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have now moved Barbados at the 2023 Pan American Games, El Salvador at the 2023 Pan American Games, Bolivia at the 2023 Pan American Games: Revision history, Dominican Republic at the 2023 Pan American Games, and Ecuador at the 2023 Pan American Games. Looks like there are 28 more articles in this family. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Mikeblas. These draftifications appear to be violating the "no draftifying articles older than 90 days" RFC. May need a stronger consensus than just 2 people to do this en masse. I think this is the second time this has popped up on my watchlist. Perhaps a pause is in order and a thread at one of the village pumps? –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:50, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Uhoh! I didn't see mention of this RFC when reading up on the drafting process. But I have no grit left for this, so at this point, I give up: we're set on having incomplete articles with large empty sections and placeholder tables, I guess there's nothing I can do about it. -- Mikeblas (talk) 19:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Thanks for the quick response. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]