Talk:List of schools and lineages of Tibetan Buddhism

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This is the Talk page of a Draft-space list-article for now. This list-article is a split-out from the Tibetan Buddhism article, starting with a copy of its "Schools" section. There exist many more smaller branches / lineages than were covered there, as evidenced by there being a Wikipedia category, Category:Schools of Tibetan Buddhism that currently has 12 direct members and 10 subcategories. In general it's good to have a list-article covering items in a category, in the spirit of wp:CLT policy or guideline. This list-article might be developed to cover all/most of the members of the category and many/most items in its subcategories.

The immediate prompt for starting this list-article is an ongoing AFD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aro gTér, about the Aro gTér article about a sect/lineage within the Nyingma school. If the AFD outcome is to remove the article from mainspace, it would be better to merge/redirect it to an item in this list-article. Even if the AFD outcome is to keep, it would still be good to have this list-article.

Help developing this, and in defining its scope and any better title, and anything else, would be appreciated! --do ncr am 23:23, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is an overreaction to the Aro situation. Each school should have its own wikipedia page. VictoriaGrayson^Talk 00:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:VictoriaGrayson, do you mean that you'd prefer for there to be separate articles on lineages within each major school, rather than one big combined one? Or does Aro topic span schools. Could you comment on changing this effort to focus on only Nyingma lineages for now? (in discussion section below) --do ncr am 20:08, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is great, finally progress. The lineage issue is very relevant to Tibetan Buddhism and it should be clearly articulated with verified religious sources. Academic sources with prevalence in the root yogic traditions is my preference. The POV can be simply balanced in each simple listing. I declare Nyingmapa. TenzinTashi5 (talk) 03:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nyingma

Actually, many well known Nyingma lineages are covered in the start class Nyingma article. Makes me wonder how to handle, guess I should look at the other schools and see. TenzinTashi5 (talk) 03:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Guess I ran into some issues cause this draft may be a fork on Tibetan Buddhism schools. Getting confused about forking Nyingma and Tibetan Buddhism here. I agree that this list has value in better illustrating the lineages because this issue is primal to the tradition and many Tibetan Buddhist religious scholars have extensively researched these things. I am fine about proceeding, just having forking reservations. TenzinTashi5 (talk) 03:36, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, up to this point, the draft is a copy, with very few changes, of Tibetan Buddhism#Schools. It would need to be expanded considerably, to avoid seeming to be merely a "fork".

Actually I am thinking it is beyond me to really develop this article myself. Trying to cover all lineages of all schools may be too much. Would it be better to revise this effort to describe only Nyingma lineages? Move this to Draft:List of lineages within Nyingma school or Draft:Nyingma lineages or some other suitable title? That would still serve purpose of providing a home for some coverage of Aro gTer, and would be fine by me. --do ncr am 19:23, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, Nyingma lineages would be a good way to start, would prefer an article. The Tibetan lineages start here, it is always an issue considered in verification and validation. I have little experience looking into other school lineages. What surprises many folks is that most of the lineages were found by yogis and succeeded by monks. However, mainstream westerners always associate Tibetan Buddhism with monastics. My yogi scholar master is working on a 10 year project encyclopedia of sorts on Nyingma lineages. There is translated material for this; probably just to get the article to a start. I am motivated to cobble together what I can find. There is interesting traditional history, have to check how it's covered in Wikipedia so far. I guess what really concerns me, is that given the limited citations in the TB articles, there could be a really big disruption to get them to different standards. Thanks TenzinTashi5 (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is OR right now, however over the weelend I was told there are over 1000 terma in this tradition and about 300 masters biographies will be published in my masters work. Apperantly, new terma hold greater power than older terma due to transmission fidelity issues. TenzinTashi5 (talk) 02:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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